this email pissed me off

[buddha]

Well mike your the shit. Im glad you chose not to continue with the pointless insults because i doubt i would have been the one to stop first. Im still rather immmature but im young so im allowed to be. I would also like to aopologize its seems we just both came to post on bad days. I just spent too much time around this person who just didnt even know what or why he believed he just believed in god as a back up, you know the person, he believes he could do whatever he wanted without remorse then simply ask forgivness and live forever as long as he goes to church. This person put no thought into his faith at all just seemed to follow it as a fad as many christians seem to do today. Im sure its not the only religion that has people like this but this one ive seen first hand. Its often hard for me to comprehend how people cant see what i see but people think the same thing of me. I guess thats why life is so crazy. Also a sign to me why god doesnt exists.

Your right school has nothing to do with that but.... if you can't prove that God doesn't exist it's not a truth that he doesn't. Common sense tells you that just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there.

I actually believe theres proof a god doesnt exists its just somthing im still working on.

I didn't mean to kill that kid while driving. I meant to go straight home but I guess I didn't. Your excuse doesn't fly with me. Later when I get to your mother part of your post I will show you why you did mean to insult people of faith. It is your opinion but unlike what I did you where sneaky about your insults. At least I'm blunt about mine.

Saying fuck your god i can see as offensive. To me though if you say fuck what i believe no emotions come up in me because i am not attached to my faith like you are you love your god your faith basically i just know mine. And i wasnt trying to be sneaky about my insults i tried to make most obvious.

I liked how you put that one. It makes my job in this debate/rebutel very easy. I can't see Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't sense Sum Young Gal in Asia, I can't hear Sum Young Gal in Asia but I know she's there so I'd have to answer your question with Over There.

I dont like your some young asain girl anology. I do like an asain girl but.... if this girl was really apart of this universe actually apart of eveything in this univerese she would be able to be sensed by some means. This is a moot point though. I would just like to say that scientists have broken down the very building blocks of this universe and now know what it is composed of they now think they might be made of particles even smaller than nutrinos(proton,electron,neutron) but unless the next smallest particles are a white haired glowing man this is almost proof enough god doesnt exists. Hes in everything right how could we break evetrything down without finding him. Well fuck that is also up for debate as some could say hes apart of our soul somthing that cant be sensed by our worldly sesnses and the soul could also be up for debate so this this can wait for a whole other thread.

How am I contradicting myself. I never said I wouldn't insult you. What I did say was

Well what i meant by saying you were being contradictory was that christians arent allowed to be rude to their brother but your faith explains this well in with sins. I dont believe i should feel ive broken any rules or feel bad for hurt feelings when it sosmthing that i do naturally when insulted myslef. Another resaon i dont understand your faith why would god want us to not do so many things that just come natural almost by instinct not free will. But i do not like starting pointless arguments since its simply not productive.

No people of faith have never ridiculed what my beliefs are at least not you or anyone here so i didnt have any reason to speak as bluntly as i did. i just dont get offended by words they mean nothing to me. Now im not saying if some one calls me a pussy bitch and says i fight like a girl in front of a hottie im with im not saying i wont completly shatter his skull. Its that people cant say things like your stupid or fuck that this and another thing. i guess im trying to say the only way some ones words are going to get a reaction out of me is if its a challenge a straight up call out or just somthing really stupid. Hearing that god exists does bother me though because to me its just another boundry people put between ourselves. The song imagine by the beatles descirbes these thoughts well. i like the version by a perfect circle. Which oddly enough brings up another reason i dont believe, if there was a god an entity that was apart of all of us and everything and this being was our father and creator how wouldnt he be able to at least be able to get the point through to us that he is the one and only. The devil may be able to use our free will to tempt us towards sins but certainly he cant be strong enough to blind us from our creator who mind you can do EVERYTHING which is a word our minds can not even grasp. I can understand him not being able to sway us from sin but not being able to let us know he is actually there. just doesnt fit together.

Yes, but I didn't study or pay attention to much. Graduated with a 2.1 gpa. I suck at schooling. I'm more of a learn by experiance type.

Im nothing to be intimidated by i think i graduated with a 1.8 probably not that low but terrible. I actually graduated early because i got sent to a prison/reform school in mexico for smoking weed. Where the school was independant self paced. But im in college now with a 4.0 so its all good.

I'd feel safe to say that most of Americans don't care much about if weed is leagel or not but it's still illegal isn't it. So not everything the people want goes through. One more thing look at legeal abortion. People of faith are against it but it's still legal isn't it.

Yours totally trumps mine but an ernormous amount of people ive ever met who are really againsts marijauna believe in god. With abortion... its probably legal because alot of people who do believe in god are all (sinning) getting pregnant and wanting abortions. And we all know quite a few of todays believers in america dont really stick to what they believe at all or even try very hard to. Not that just people who believe in god are having casual sex but certainly they are not excluded. And sex is already legal making abortion seem kinda ok to younger generations especially mine. Kinda like if hemp was already legal it would most likely help with the legalization of sensimilla.

Why not be tolerant

Well thats how i really see people i guess dillusional is a little harsh but i really do see people who believe in god to have some sort problem with accepting reality and therefore buildings these boundries wich just brings trouble to every one. <--- (how i see that it affects me) they arent in the right state of mind, waiting for signs from a god when really the way they should come to conclusions is through good ol brain power. But this goes into a whole different theory i have on god and how one came about. I think god could also just be a way for people to thuroughly think things through.. to meditate or pray when it involves god. So they see this relaxing feeling you get during meditation as a feeling of being near god and then you get answers suddenly when really it was just relaxation and your own brain. And from there get used to this process as talking with god because thats what it was introduced to most people as.
[QUOTE=meek mike]I have know many gang members that didn't hold the same beleifs as the other members thats why I say the one I was in in KY was a fake ass gang. They only wanted to make money not watch each others backs.[/QOUTE]

Beliefs was the wrong word to use. Just a common cause money was theirs in some cases gangs do have same beliefs but in cases like this the money was the common belief and if someone got in between the money or what they had their eyes on they would team up to get it. In the church case of catholics joining together and making whole groups to worship together and in the old days stomp out other religions. Exact same things gangs do now its just on a more subtle scale of poeople trying to convert others its less violent. Funny thought if religions started out how gangs are now maybe in a couple thousand years cryp and blood will be religions. Gangs even do have defferent sects such as the west side longos and east side longos could be against each other when really they came from the same place.

group that follows or even cares what the pope

True the number of people is small these days but it still proves my point that people will just listen without more thoughts of their own first because if they disagree its hell. I mean thats how all religions are setup if you disagree in anyway your fucked enternally sounds like a good way to trap people to me.

Just because your mother believe something you don't you admit to antaganizing (sp?) her.

Seriosuly my mom is crazy thats why i got sent to mexico and explains many other unfortunate events that have occured in my life. Not just because she believes in god but because of events that have happend to her in her life but i believe her view of god is what really caused trouble for me. Such as mexico incident... i had been caught smoking weed numerous times she even told me herself she had no idea what to do but then one day she heard some verse in the bible that pointed to sending me to a prison in mexico. Come on 95% of the kids who got sent to this place all had felnoy charges i had a misdmenor for parphenalia that my mom reported on me. she also sold my car while i was in mexico because of a sign.

You should go and kiss your mom right know and tell her how much you love her no matter how you feel about her personal religous beliefs.

I hate my mom. I dont hate her because of her faith i hate her for being such a bad mother and putting me through such emotional and physical anguish. I do respect her as a my mother though i will never tell her that i hate her because she did bring me into this world and at least kept me alive and ill even admit teach me a few things. So telling her how i really feel or what my real thoughts on many things are would just cause her uneeded pain for her when saying what i really think brings me no reward anyway.

I think it's sad that some people don't have a mother or father and you take yours for granted because your mother believes in God and you don't.

Hating my mom is far deeper than religion. She was a good example of how misplaced faith can affect others, many others and how your god personally affects me even though i dont even believe in him. Thats how saying f your god isnt a direct insult in my eyes its what feelings i have towards your god who i dont even believe in but still affects me. god does have an entity on this earth even if there isnt a divine one his entity is in each individual who believes and then a combination of all believers.

So have you found a way to prove God doesn't exist? You haven't, I guess that doesn't mean your beliefs are the truth. Is it fare for you to say she can't accept the truth when you haven't any truths or proof of your truths.

Someday i know the proof will be proof somthing new is proven everyday just a matter of time in my eyes. And i know that at least i put more thought into my beliefs while my mother has always believed always undoubtfull. Thats how she was raised she was pretty much taught to believe in god. Thats why most people cant put up a good defense on what they believe if one at all.

Even though I don't know your mother I don't think she ask God to fix the problem. I think she asks God to help her deal with the problem in the right way.

I still dont think that people should be taking random coinsidence phrases as a sign from an all knowing power as a go ahead on somthing you havent put thurough thought into. I guess thats why they call it faith. But thats also why it bothers me so much its cool by me to have a gut feeling to do somthing but there are alot fo people who dont they just follow these signs.

No doubt they do, but what you think they are doing most aren't. Cause most understand that God helps out but he doesn't just fix things. What leasons of life would we learn if he did that?

Even so i dont like being around people who just believe somthing will happen or work or come true just on faith and not real systematic break down and solving of the problem. But on this subject i still think god mgiht just be apart of peoples subconcious that they feel is god but really them coming to their own conclusions as i said before. i say this because i have many tried many types of maditating and all have basically the same effects on the mind and body.

No it's just a funny thing to you that you feel ok to make fun poke at and be untolerant of if they are of the faith.

Didnt really see where you were going with this not tied in with the quote anyway. Im just saying all religions do have their good sides are most are made with good cause but still add these barriers and differences while changing the way people think and come to conclusions.

What does it deny?

Everything i like to do perhaps? Evereything that is fun and good to me. Evereything that makes me happy. Now i completely agree with the seven deadly sins they say gluttony is bad but i love to stuff myself i just think i dont go too far and gain 400 lbs to where i have to fork lifted off my couch for a bath im fine. Lust is one of my favorite sins it just cant take over to where u jump into bed with anyone and get diseases and then spread them to every one else. i see the seven deadly sins as good guidelines as to what not over indulge in but indulge in as long as it doesnt bring down your own or anyone else quality of life. Wow i just found a perfect way to say what iv been trying to. People who believe in god work more for the life after this instead of working for this life now. If we were all on the same team i think the world could be better for all. Shit religions seem only to be bringing war these days. What happened to the good old days when they said tehy were gonna start feeding the hungry?

I see Christianity being targeted in America

I know because religions are a seperating factor between people. And yes its unfair whats happening right now because the government is just trying to please people but thats how it is when people have these stupid little things to fight over such as race religion and continent. If people relized that this life is what we have they might decide to start working harder to make it a better world and live a better life than assuming theres somthing after and suicide bombers never would be heard of again. Just IMAGINE listen to that song even if u know what it is listen to it again and actually try to imagine.