Evolution or Creation

[iwantFUEGO]

why is it so wrong to believe that God created evolution.

God is all knowing so why wouldn't He create organisms that will adapt and survive? The earth isn't perfect... Genesis tells us that the earth isn't perfect because of what adam an eve did in the garden.

The bible shouldnt be read literally... it was written by MAN who was influenced by God.

You need faith in something... otherwise what do you have to live for?

[Hamlet]

Today I was listening to the radio--the local right-wing zealot who's always screaming creationism and defending Bush. He had Dr. Francis Collins as a guest (the prof. in charge of mapping the human genome, and also a religious man). The host thought he had a shoe-in for the defense of Creationism. I thought it was pretty funny how he had to eat crow from a superior intellect that was to some extent, on his side.

Collins said 'Creationism' as it's proposed, hasn't been around very long and is absurd as it's presented compared to the body of evidence for evolution and the natural sciences--and taking Genesis literally is impossible unless you want to cast out reason completely. He felt (as IwantFUEGO mentioned above) that the only rational way to approach the dilemma, if one chooses to believe in a Supreme Being, is to accept that God uses Evolution to get the job done.

Anyway, I have to listen to this ultra-right lunatic every day and it was fun listening as he got his ass handed to him by someone who was actually educated enough and rational enough to understand the issues.

[ThatTokenWhiteGuy]

Creation. Evolution doesn't stand up to much scientific scrutiny. Especially when you dismantle evolutioary icons. And the Cambrian Explosion just skull fucks the entire idea of evolution. -if you don't know what the cambrian explosion is, it's a whole shit load of animals popping into existence at around the same time fully developed with absolutely nothing leading up to their current form.-

HA! And creation does?! Give me a break.

Ah the Cambrian Explosion. Anything that can happen will happen under the right circumstances. Seems to me that at that period in time, things in the enviroment (or just the life forms, arguebly) changed rapidly. Causing rapid change in the life forms that had to adapt or die. Thus, a whole bunch of "rapidly evolved" animals in a relatively short period of time (12 million years) came into existance. There's no accepted theory but there some attempts to explain it with ideas other than "faith". Scientists look at very quick climate changes, atmosphere changes and unique physical changes that may be "revolutionary" to life forms. I find it funny how those of you that choose creation as your explaination are so quick to disgard scientific theories and facts but blindly accept God as the creator through "faith". Apparently faith, based on hopes and dreams holds more weight with you than theories based on evidence, probability and information. You can almost smell the ignorance.

That's my :twocents:

[braddog10]

I think you are all wrong...

If you take a long look at why people form any beliefs in the first place you will see that it is done out of a certain fear. It's of no consequence whether or not you believe in God or evolution or that aliens created us because they are all wrong.

The only truth can come from the absence of beliefs. It is only in such a moment that truth can be found. :smokin:

Hey Binz, I find the latter part of your statement facinating. I have pondered this for years. Our latest posts have brought this back to mind. I think you will find this interesting. It is right along these...or this line.

Quick brief, God was upset with the Jews .........Who would so continually lose track of things relationaly with him. check this out....His own word going out thru his prophets, though his prophets never reached them physically. God uses man to speak thru (dominion mandate). and sends it out to the four corners. ........This relates ...Large ....to what we have been talking about concerning those ~ not having heard.

My point is that it is still Him...........hey, very good to see you.
Think about this for a bit

Roman 10
18But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
"THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH,
AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD."

19But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
"I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS BY THAT WHICH IS NOT A NATION,
BY A NATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WILL I ANGER YOU."

20And Isaiah is very bold and says,
"I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME,
I BECAME MANIFEST TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME."
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[braddog10]

Evolution created, art, god, warfare, and the tiny hairs that grow in weird places as we age...

aaaaahhh, you make me laugh. I like you Gray.

Art? Your crazy....alright ..hairs
Man's stupidity starts wars.
knucklehead
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[dopesmoker]

definetly evolution. As much as i respect the beliefs of anyone who believes creation, there is no doubt that it is evolution

[braddog10]

definetly evolution. As much as i respect the beliefs of anyone who believes creation, there is no doubt that it is evolution

I am wondering why you believe this, when It requires more faith than creation??
Just wondering?...especially in the light that we are all ~ here ~ to discuss it. Help me out here. What evidence do you really have other than micro babble. Where are the major transitional forms?

Why is this also the only thing in science that denies the laws of thermal dynamics, and is acepted? crazy!!

[Binzhoubum]

I am wondering why you believe this, when It requires more faith than creation??
Just wondering?...especially in the light that we are all ~ here ~ to discuss it. Help me out here. What evidence do you really have other than micro babble. Where are the major transitional forms?

Why is this also the only thing in science that denies the laws of thermal dynamics, and is acepted? crazy!!

How does evolution violate the laws of thermal dynamics? :smokin:

I think that creation requires much more faith to believe in than evolution.

[beachguy in thongs]

But, then again, what's at the beginning of evolution? The Creator.

[Faultydesign]

A non diest view of evolution involves matter just spontaneously evolving for no real reason....

It's kinda like your car driving itself to the store while you sit at home and hit the bong.