Evolution or Creation

[Binzhoubum]

yes, biogenesis is the problem: biogenesis means life only comes from life. but all "laws" aside, the hard part of macro-evo is the "amino acid soup" idea. once evolutionists take their theories back to the part of "genesis" you still have tremendous problems with a living organism arriving out of innanimate parts.

What are the tremendous problems you are speaking of? So, you are actually saying that the conditions for the beginning of life as posited by proponents of evolution have tremendous problems in regards to their explanation of genesis?

I would say that creationists AND evolutionists both have a problem when it comes to this issue. Whatever you say at this point will inevitably beg the question.

If I say the universe was created by God and God is the alpha and omega, I am begging the question, "Who created God?"

If I say that the universe began in virtue of a tremendous explosion about 15 billion years ago and that at this point all energy and matter was contained within one point in space, I am begging the question, "Where was the cause of this explosion? And where did it come from?"

What exisisted prior to the creation of the universe is completely unknown and is simply a matter of pure speculation. Anyway you look at it. :smokin:

but forget about that: what about where even that innanimate MATTER came from? scientists talk about the big bang. but the problem there is that there had to be SOMETHING there to "bang" in the first place. scientists call this moment the singularity. but no one will talk about what happened before the singularity. where did that tiny piece of matter come from?

now, you of course would have the same problem with god. where did god come from? my point is in the end either you have eternal god (living being) or eternal matter (eternal matter). my point is in the end it's not more "scientific" to believe there is "no god". in the end you have to take on faith where EXISTANCE came from in the first place.

I find it ironic that you basically contradicted yourself by admitting that one will invariably encounter this problem of begging the question whichever way one choose's to swing on this issue, yet bring up the issue of faith.

What is faith? Faith, by definition, relies on a belief that does not rest on logic or evidence. Faith depends on irrational, illogical thought and is often regulated by human emotion.

Why would God make faith seem so illogical if it were in fact something we should all have and believe in?

I don't see a strong case for faith in my everyday life. It seems to me that if I don't go to work but have faith my boss will pay me, I never get paid. Conversely, it seems to be the case that if I actively pursue a salary I always get paid.

It also seems to be the case that people who choose faith to cure their cancer die at higher rates than those who choose contemporary, Western medicinal treatments developed through a system of logic, trial and error, and formulation of hypotheses known as Science.

Science always seems to give me results. In fact, if it weren't for science I wouldn't be able to use this computer and post this reply to this thread. :thumbsup:

there are many parts of evolutionary science that i find very valid: survival of the fitest/genetic change through selective breading etc.

As you should because such theories are logical and there is evidence to support this.

i am a christian, and i will also not say i have scientific proof of god. i admit readily that i believe in god on faith, not because it has been proven to me. i do however feel god's influence everywhere, but once again this is subjective of course

How do you feel God's influence? If you don't mind me asking... :smokin:

btw: i love science. i'm a biology/neurobiology student and i find scientific learning fascinating, of course especially living things (bios=life; ology=study)

I find botany interesting. :stoned: HEHEHE....:smokin:

blah blah good luck to y'all and peace!

Peace to you too! :smokin:

Binzhoubum Reviewed by Binzhoubum on 07-22-2006. Evolution or Creation The quesition is simple, but id like to here what you gusy have to think?:thumbsup: Rating: 5