Evolution or Creation

[Faultydesign]

and oneriaunt I respect your intelligence more than anything about you.

However, both evolution and creation are logically impossible.

You choose to believe one thing, I choose to believe another.

Faultydesign Reviewed by Faultydesign on 07-22-2006. Evolution or Creation The quesition is simple, but id like to here what you gusy have to think?:thumbsup: Rating: 5

[Faultydesign]

Da_haze, the fact that you attack my intelligence is just showing the fact that you have no basis for your argument.

I had the decency not to attack you please refrain from attacking me.

[Oneironaut]

It's just how I believe things to be.

I just know evolution is not how the world happened.

Do you even know what evolution is? You seem to be equating it to the way life first came about, and now you say it is "not how the world happened". Of course it's not how the world happened. Evolution is nothing more than the idea that over time, organisms will tend to change according to which variations within the gene pool are most successful at surviving and reproducing. The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life (that's called abiogenesis); it is only about how life evolves (hence the term evolution).

[Oneironaut]

and oneriaunt I respect your intelligence more than anything about you.

However, both evolution and creation are logically impossible.

How is evolution "logically impossible"?

You choose to believe one thing, I choose to believe another.

And I just happened to be the one who chose observation, evidence and logic over tradition, superstition, authority and wishful thinking.

[Faultydesign]

I believe in micro-evolution. It's just that I don't see any of the organisms that don't have the sucessful traits in the fossil record.

[Faultydesign]

You are correct I am doubting random abiogenesis in the matter that just randomly all of these systems came to be.

[Oneironaut]

That's because the ones with the really noticeably bad problems typically don't have their genes survive more than a generation or two. And keep in mind that the fossil record contains only a very very very tiny percentage of all dead creatures; most creatures, like the creatures today, would have been well-adapted to their environment. Evolution happens very slowly, in very small incremental changes. By the way, how much time have you really spent studying the fossil record?

[Faultydesign]

Actually, I am very much involved in a research study conducted at my former highschool. I was going to make a trip to the grand canyon this summer but a disk in my back bulged so that I couldn't not handle all of the hiking. This is something that I am very interested in. If you don't mind me asking how old are you and what if any are your credentials? You are a very smart man and it's a pleasure debating with you.

[Oneironaut]

You are correct I am doubting random abiogenesis in the matter that just randomly all of these systems came to be.

It's not random. The organisms which were most successful at propagating forms like themselves survived. Small random mutations create variation, and over billions of years (a time frame the human mind is utterly incapable of comprehending, which I think is part of the problem people have trying to understand evolution) and uncountable different mutations, complex systems will develop, since a slightly more complex system that has been tweaked the right way can do things better than a simpler one. Is it really inconceivable that over enormous timescales this process could create stunningly complex things?

[Oneironaut]

Actually, I am very much involved in a research study conducted at my former highschool. I was going to make a trip to the grand canyon this summer but a disk in my back bulged so that I couldn't not handle all of the hiking. This is something that I am very interested in. If you don't mind me asking how old are you and what if any are your credentials? You are a very smart man and it's a pleasure debating with you.

I am 21, and my credentials are that I have read a whole lot of books. I have not studied evolutionary biology formally, but it is a subject of great interest to me and a good chunk of my recreational reading is done in that area.