Thanks President Bush.....

[KennabisCranium]

Yo Flesh,
you're a Hab, I woulda figured I'd get some support from you on George W's agenda for getting the NHL going again, eh.


Ken the PotHead

KennabisCranium Reviewed by KennabisCranium on 01-21-2005. Thanks President Bush..... For doing your best to protect my family from those wanting to cut my head off just because I have a difference on religion. For going after them first before they grow stronger to some day, wipe our great planet with a WMD. For taking the fight to them instead of having my home land in defense mode 24/7 and allowing me to know when my wife and daughter goes to the mall, they will in most case return. Thanks President Bush for putting a team in place that has the interest on a better tomorrow Rating: 5

[F L E S H]

Yo Flesh,
you're a Hab, I woulda figured I'd get some support from you on George W's agenda for getting the NHL going again, eh.


Ken the PotHead

lol

Yeah, I'm desperate for some NHL action, I'm a big Habs fan, as you guessed.

If Bush wants to buy a Hockey team, that's fine by me, as long as he's not president of the US anymore. Hell, I'm sure he'd be better than Bettman!

[NowhereMan]

I am sick and tired of Americans spouting bullshit about how Bush went to Iraq to save the Iraqis who were suffering under Saddam Hussein's violent rule.

Did the US do anything to stop Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?
Did the US do anything to stop what happened in Rwanda?
Did the US do anything to stop what's going on in Sudan? (Do any of you have any idea of where that even is?)
Did the US do anything to stop Stalin from killing millions and millions of his own citizens?
Did the US do anything to stop Kim Jong Il from destroying his own people?

The answer is a big fat NO to all of those. I thought the US wanted to promote freedom and democracy and all that other bullshit they talk about... Well it ain't gonna happen unless they got ANOTHER reason to go and invade a country.

Do you really think all of a sudden the president grew a conscience and decided to help the poor Iraqis? If you do, wake up and smell the bush cause you're in for a rude awakening.

well listen buttwipe
we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass
THAT BETTER?
we dont need you as much as you think
people can learn to do without the oil and gas,in time
but ya see the rich need to drive humvies in LA and NYC
and they in fact have more say so than anyone

i didnt say it was the ONLY REASON.just a good one,saddam was a sadistic bitch and he needsa his head cut the hell off,
saddam needed his sick ass taken the fuck out and he pushed the wrong butons and got it done
so if you think the usa should have left iraq to one day invade and kill off its enemies/nieghbors then
fuck you,
those who will one day have a chioce in who runs thier country would tell you the same,sure the hardcore murdering shitheads will say its all about oil
but its not,im still paying $2 a gallon and my ass dont care if any WMD was found ,any nation to want my nation destroyed ,SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE WISE,and mister ill be the first to defend the innocent,
but the usa is not out to take over anything
if it wanted it,it would have it,who would stop it,?
russia ? china? mexico.,?
maybe canada?

i dont support bush,in fact cant stand his ass
but bush IS NOT AMERICA
4 yrs he is gone
4 yrs from today in fact


so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever
lets see the list mr smartass
how much does yours spend on other nations safety,even when it hurts your own?
if america would pull out of the national scene the world would be at war.
we in fact stand between so many that would kill each other over religions
shit look at the gaza strip mess .....they want to just exterminate each other over GOD
fuk im waisting my time with you so hell with it

[KennabisCranium]

better than Bettman, THAT is fuckin' funny!!!!!!!!!

[F L E S H]

NowhereMan, really, no need for all the insults.

But my point is that the reason you give, wanting to stop Saddam, is not a valid reason at all, it's a smoke screen, a sham, public relations, and I'm afraid you've fallen for it, as have many Americans. I speak in all honesty when I say I'm NOT anti-American, I love the States, the American culture, hell, New York is the greatest city in the world if you ask me, it's just that your government has been lying to you and manipulating you for a long long time, and even more ever since Bush came in.

The rhetoric of 'freedom and democracy' would be valid, if only the US tried to apply it everywhere, not just Iraq. Let's look back at how this whole thing started, shall we? 9-11 happened, and the hunt for Bin Laden is on, the US and many other countries (including Canada) send forces into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, the government which is supporting Bin Laden. Well, it worked to a certin degree, the Taliban was ousted, a new 'democratic' government runs Afghanistan, but we still didn't find Bin Laden. Then, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, the talk shifts to Iraq. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Saddam against his people, only that he's hiding WMDs and hiding Bin Laden, even though it was a well-established fact the he and Bin Laden had no relationship whatsoever.

It's called a diversion. Shift the attention of the people in one direction, so that they don't see what's going on the other side. Sort of like when some goes, "hey! look over there!" and then runs away.

I will say that Saddam Hussein was a monster of a man, that is not in question. But just sit down a minute and think for yourself, don't listen to the media (mouthpieces for the government, all of them). Why so gung-ho about Saddam, when so many other governments have done the same, if not worse, to their people, yet there was no action on the part of Americans to help anyone? I think it's because there's nothing worthwhile economically for the US in Cambodia, it's mostly jungle. There's nothing worthwhile economically in the Sudan or Rwanda, it's in Africa (nobody cares about Africans, there not as evolved as us, right?) (I won't say anything about Stalin because American policy in the 30s was different than today's, also the US was busy trying to build its own empire in central America to compete with the British and French.)

Stop repeating what the media is telling you, and think for yourself. You don't need any sort of special knowledge, the facts are hidden there all along, just remember the chronology of events, and you'll see it makes no sense at all.

[F L E S H]

(sorry for double post)

Oh, and another thing, what did Canada ever do for anybody?

Let's see, my personal favorite is the War of 1812, when Americans try to invade but fail miserably. How about WW1, we were there from the beginning, and we fought at key battles, Canadian troops were world-renowned for their toughness and courage (read a non-American history book, you might find out more). We fought in WW2, again from the very beginning, and our troops were vital in the invasions, such as D-Day and the re-taking of Italy. Our prime-minister negotiated a peace treaty at the end of the Suez Canal crisis on 1956 and averted what could have been another big war, and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it (Lester B. Pearson). We are a country loved and respected around the world for our peace keeping efforts since then, in such places as Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda. There's a lot more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Canada has done a lot, it's just that Americans don't know about it, or pretend not to know....

[KennabisCranium]

yes, be nice to the canucks.

They're our neighbors to the north, eh.
they got really good beer, eh.
they play great sports, eh (hockey, lacrosse, barrel jumping)
they got very potent mj in BC, eh.
did I mention great beer, eh.

I've been to most of the 11 Provinces up in Canada (no Yukon or Nova Scotia yet). take off you yankee hosers who don't know 'boot The Great White North, eh.

[NowhereMan]

(sorry for double post)

Oh, and another thing, what did Canada ever do for anybody?

Let's see, my personal favorite is the War of 1812, when Americans try to invade but fail miserably. How about WW1, we were there from the beginning, and we fought at key battles, Canadian troops were world-renowned for their toughness and courage (read a non-American history book, you might find out more). We fought in WW2, again from the very beginning, and our troops were vital in the invasions, such as D-Day and the re-taking of Italy. Our prime-minister negotiated a peace treaty at the end of the Suez Canal crisis on 1956 and averted what could have been another big war, and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it (Lester B. Pearson). We are a country loved and respected around the world for our peace keeping efforts since then, in such places as Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda. There's a lot more, but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

Canada has done a lot, it's just that Americans don't know about it, or pretend not to know....

oh i thank the canadians for all the done for the ALLIES
just wanted to see if you had a piont of view on that
and i will apologize for my crankyness
just dont knock america becuase bush bought a election
the real facts are plian
i wanted saddam out of the worlds hiar so to speak
now that he is i want our troops home,
i for one would say let them fend for thier self
im sure bush has more on his agenda,
but that aint all of the usa and you seem on the usa bashing wagon to me
excuse me if im wrong but i aint no bush supporter,far from it

just a american supporter
tired of being called brianwashed sheep
i aint one,i dont believe cnn,or the bbc

i am gratefull of the way canada has acted in past conflicts
so many died in wars to date its uncountable

we lost men in somalia over bill pussyface clintons inactions
have no idea why them assholes would let any nation suffer thru shit like warlords and druglords,i hate what the usa does in columbia,ect

we cant free the world ,
we dont even try to but we will come to any nations rescue that ask us
and yes the usa was ask by Kuwiat? in gulf war
and this war is to me the same dam one
unfinished bizz,should have taken him out then and there
agian im no big bad flag waving america does no wrong type
far from it
i just know the heart of the usa people is in right place and the money the powermongers have do all the polocy making,not our hearts.
we agree on many things ,
and i like to invoke responses ,agian sorry for my harsh ness
i'm so used to talking to idiots ,that i lose track of my perspective
you seem very educated and as if you really care and for that i will say
thanks,but dont put the usa people down,we are stuck with a ruling class of assholes who think their shit dont stink,
peace to you and yours

[psychocat]

NowhereMan, really, no need for all the insults.

But my point is that the reason you give, wanting to stop Saddam, is not a valid reason at all, it's a smoke screen, a sham, public relations, and I'm afraid you've fallen for it, as have many Americans. I speak in all honesty when I say I'm NOT anti-American, I love the States, the American culture, hell, New York is the greatest city in the world if you ask me, it's just that your government has been lying to you and manipulating you for a long long time, and even more ever since Bush came in.

The rhetoric of 'freedom and democracy' would be valid, if only the US tried to apply it everywhere, not just Iraq. Let's look back at how this whole thing started, shall we? 9-11 happened, and the hunt for Bin Laden is on, the US and many other countries (including Canada) send forces into Afghanistan to root out the Taliban, the government which is supporting Bin Laden. Well, it worked to a certin degree, the Taliban was ousted, a new 'democratic' government runs Afghanistan, but we still didn't find Bin Laden. Then, FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER, the talk shifts to Iraq. No one ever mentions the atrocities of Saddam against his people, only that he's hiding WMDs and hiding Bin Laden, even though it was a well-established fact the he and Bin Laden had no relationship whatsoever.

It's called a diversion. Shift the attention of the people in one direction, so that they don't see what's going on the other side. Sort of like when some goes, "hey! look over there!" and then runs away.

I will say that Saddam Hussein was a monster of a man, that is not in question. But just sit down a minute and think for yourself, don't listen to the media (mouthpieces for the government, all of them). Why so gung-ho about Saddam, when so many other governments have done the same, if not worse, to their people, yet there was no action on the part of Americans to help anyone? I think it's because there's nothing worthwhile economically for the US in Cambodia, it's mostly jungle. There's nothing worthwhile economically in the Sudan or Rwanda, it's in Africa (nobody cares about Africans, there not as evolved as us, right?) (I won't say anything about Stalin because American policy in the 30s was different than today's, also the US was busy trying to build its own empire in central America to compete with the British and French.)

Stop repeating what the media is telling you, and think for yourself. You don't need any sort of special knowledge, the facts are hidden there all along, just remember the chronology of events, and you'll see it makes no sense at all.

The problem with both the Taliban and Saddam was that they are former allies of the US , the CIA had a hand in helping the taliban, and the Baath party which in essence was Saddam also recieved "help" from the US.





Why did Saddam Husseinâ??s regime collapse without a fight?
Bush topples an old U.S. ally

April 18, 2003 | Page 8
ONLY TWO weeks after Iraqi resistance to the U.S. invasion became a source of pride for people across the Middle East, the Iraqi regime collapsed--seemingly overnight. "We are all in shock. How did things come to such an end?...Where is the resistance? This collapse is puzzling â?¦How come Baghdad falls so easily," asked Abu Dhabi Television correspondent Shaker Hamed. In Iraq, it appeared that thousands of soldiers and even Republican Guards--supposedly the bulwark of Saddam Husseinâ??s power--deserted.

Why did the Iraqi state--after confounding George W. Bushâ??s advisersâ?? predictions of a U.S. "cakewalk" in the first weeks of the war--collapse? As LANCE SELFA and PAUL Dâ??AMATO show, the answers to this question lie in the Iraqi regime and its history of repression at home and collaboration with imperialism abroad.

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THE MODERN Iraqi state emerged from a revolution against the British-imposed monarchy in 1958. The 1958 revolution was part of the nationalist, anti-imperialist fervor that swept the Middle East following Gamel Abdel Nasserâ??s nationalist military coup against the British-backed monarchy in Egypt in 1952.

An Iraqi coup led by officer Abdel Kareem Qasim unleashed a wave of popular struggle from below in 1958. Peasants seized large landholdings. Workers went on strike. The Communist Party (CP) emerged from illegality to dominate the leadership of the workersâ??, peasantsâ?? and studentsâ?? movements and held large-scale influence in the military.

Qasim proclaimed a republic, kicked out British military bases and announced Iraqâ??s alignment with the Eastern bloc in the Cold War. The new government decreed a wide-ranging land reform. It even granted autonomy to the Kurds.

As the second major nationalist leader in the Middle East, Qasim posed a challenge to Nasser and his followers. Qasimâ??s government rested on an unstable alliance between communists, nationalists and Nasserites. These factional battles led Qasim first to lurch to the left, issuing decrees the communists supported, and then to lurch to the right, attacking the Kurds in the north. Nasserâ??s supporters in the Iraqi army blocked with the Baath Party to form a conservative nationalist opposition to Qasim.

The Baath Party, formed in 1947 in Syria, stood for developing a single Arab nation from among the collection of states Western imperialism had created after the First World War. To accomplish this, they supported a one-party authoritarian state that would subjugate all conflicting social, class and political interests to the will of the "nation." Because of their anti-communism and opposition to Qasim, the Baathists won covert support from the CIA.

In 1963, the Baathists and other nationalist military officers overthrew and killed Qasim. The CIA supplied lists of communists to the Baath security apparatus--whose chief operative was Saddam Hussein--which used them to liquidate the leaders of the CP, the trade unions and other social organizations.

Building up support in the military and the security apparatus, the Baathists felt strong enough to eliminate most of their remaining coalition partners in 1968, establishing a Baathist dictatorship.

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AS SECOND in command of the Baath Party and vice president of the governing Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam Hussein built up the security forces that became the real power in the Iraqi government. Through state terror, the Baathists established control over every social and political organization in the country--from sports clubs to political parties.

With the backing of U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Kurdish groups allied with Iraqâ??s regional competitor, Iran, rose up against the dictatorship in 1974. In response, Saddam and the Shah of Iran announced a 1975 agreement that settled border disputes between Iraq and Iran and severed Iranâ??s link to the Kurds. The U.S. tossed the Kurds overboard.

The Iranian revolution that overthrew the Shah in 1979 raised a new challenge to the Iraqi regime. The defeat of the Shahâ??s tyranny appealed to Iraqis--the majority of whom, like Iranians, follow the Shia branch of Islam.

For the next decade, Saddam, who became the countryâ??s president in 1979, concentrated on containing the Islamist "threat" from Iran. In this task, he found a willing ally in Washington, where the loss of the Shah presented a great foreign policy crisis.

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source http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-...Collapse.shtml

[Nullific]

we gotta start somewhere ..so now you saying we should have invaded all them places >?wtf then you just whine your ass off about that saying we taken over the world.our troops are dying for assholes like you in fact i wished they would just PULL OUT OF ALL YAWS LIL MESSES AND LEAVE YA ROT, dont come crying to the usa when you have a regime up your ass

Diplomacy is hard, war is easy.

so all the anti american shit pukes me
we try at least wtf has your nation did for anyone ever

Do you know how many democratic governments the US has helped overthrow?

Did you know that Bush gave the Taliban $43 million for halting growth of opium poppies? That didn't stop them from producing heroin however.

I still feel that there is something very odd about the 9/11, for those of you who think there is no such thing as corporate/government conspiracies, read a history book. Not the one you got from school. The Emperor Wears No Clothes (look at my signature) explains the huge conspiracy for prohibiting marijuana.