Quote Originally Posted by braddog10
Evolution is being abandoned by non Christian scientist.
Like who? The consensus among biologists and paleontologists is very clear, if you actually bother to listen to what they have to say.

Gray mentioned something about the world in which we live....left to statistical chance. You having two eyes, two ears, all your specialized organs, and the clincher........the single cell, impossible to just "occur". It has delicate, chemical balances, a system, just as ours is. A tremendously complex unit, It has DNA!.. for Gods sake!! this is laughable.....
Ah yes, the old argument from personal incredulity. "I can't think of why this is therefore God did it (oops I mean the "Intelligent Designer" who might be space aliens or something).
Oneironaut, not at you, ........at the people that taught you, and came up with this crap. Statistical chance Gray? Wow....This takes more faith than I've got. Interesting religion you have there. If the single cell is dead then so is the whole of their religion, This very belief has been their most sacred Holy religious Icon. Guarded .......as well as anyone would guard their most sacred Holy truths.

Life coming from non life ?!!! To bet against these kind of odds even occasionally, I'd be a wealthy man.
If life did not come from non-life, then life has been around forever.

Your whole argument boils down to complexity. If something is sufficiently complex, then it must have been designed, and life fulfills that criterion. Well then, you have to apply that idea consistently. If life is too complex, then so is a life-designer, which must be way more complex than any organism or ecosystem we've ever seen. What are the chances of something THAT complicated just suddenly arising out of nothingness?

Just a side note,...when I observe an expressed criticism of God. I can't help but notice that the implied reference.............. is to the Christian God. The individual acknowledges Him by default. To me, it is so obvious. I will concede that...........maybe this is just me...
Huh?
There is so much documented History of Our Creator, as He is identified in the Bible. Documented In Egypt, In Persia, ....stones were unearthed documenting the Assyrian seize, recorded by the Assyrians no less, God slew a hundred thousand, over night, this stone made reference to “Hezekiah of the house of David”. Some atheist claim that King David was a fable. I find that their homework is .....well..their research is fabricated.. Excuse me, ...... These are IRS tactics. Prove that you did not make this much money. Prove that your house is not worth this much, Oh,....and by the way .......you can pay for your own home appraisal.

Well, Mr. Jennings ....you have the right to be silent, and you are guilty by the way until you can prove your self innocent.. Boy..... Oh, My!!.... We have some serious allegations here. Hope you have a good attorney. ...........Well, I’m very sorry Mr Jennings, but you have failed to satisfy your innocence of our claim against you, so I senten.........

These people claim God to be mean, judgmental, cruel, harsh, and unfair, ...unbelievable Hypocrisy?? Oneironaut, the God you describe, the attributes, the labels you assign, are not consistent with who He clearly is ............. revealed. Tallies up niceness? naughtiness?..Santa Clause? The Scripture that I have posted, clearly reflects otherwise. Please click on my name and work you way back. I started posting "The Word" about a month ago.

Please do it, I hope it helps you. I have already described above what it is to make claims with out knowledge. I believe you desire honesty.

Oneironaut, You were remarkably humble in the midst of my rudeness. Please email me, I would like to correspond privately.

Braddog
Even if the Bible was true, I would have to be a Satanist. It says in that book that Yahweh is a cruel, racist, sexist, homophobic, pro-slavery totalitarian dictator who imposes his arbitrary rules on everybody and burns them if they break the rules and then don't get on their knees and start groveling about it. Seriously, I can honestly say that Yahweh is the worst character in any book I have ever read. Satan's reported evils pale in comparison.

Just like Hitler, Yahweh has a chosen people that is told to exterminate other peoples which are determined to be somehow intrinsically inferior and corrupt. Just like Hitler, Yahweh sends them in to kill the men, take the women and children (well actually Hitler didn't do that one), expropriate the wealth, and start living in their new Lebensraum that has been freed from the inferior races. Just like Hitler, Yahweh demands complete and unquestioning obedience or else you'll be tortured and burned. I refuse to support authoritarian dictators bent on nationalism and slavery who proclaim themselves the be-all and end-all of existence while demanding that you worship them. That is tyranny and I would not stand for it, since I support democracy and equality.

"A jealous lover of human liberty, deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him." —Mikhail Bakunin