Is smoking marijuana a sin

[cannabis campbell]

that was very detailed lol

[slowthestone]

Has anyone yet mentioned the part about Jesus and his use of marijuana?

[slowthestone]

I'm am a christian, and I believe that smoking marijuana is in fact a sin.

(Sorry I don't know actual verses but...) The bible says not impare your judgement or something of the like, which marijuana can and will do to most if not all people to some extent.

The Bible itself impairs judgement ffs!

Anyway...if using marijuana, either digested or inhaled is a sin...than Jesus himself was a sinner. And being as its widely accepted that Jesus was without sin...people are either hypocrites, or the man indeed had a sinful nature to him.

Can't have it both ways...either stop thinking of Jesus as being without sin...or accept that his use of marijuana clearly demonstrates that theres nothing sinful about marijuana use.

[slowthestone]

Take it a step further, those of you not believing that Jesus used marijuana...


'Potheads' are awfully anti-establishment in nature.

What was the thing that Jesus balked at? Even to the point of kicking over a coffer of full of money?

Think about it.

[moneymike]

i read something a while ago, according to the pope WEED IS A SIN!!!!!!




BUT, lets not forget what else past popes have considered right.

burning the knights templar at the stake(the pope created them then killed them all)!!

slauhtering of muslims during both crusades

ignoring the holocaust because of secret dealings with mussolini.

i was born and raised a catholic, but lately ive been questioning many things, dont get me wrong i believe in god completely i just dont agree with just about everything the roman catholic church does and their general attitude towards everything.

[slowthestone]

Catholicism isn't as much a religion as it is a widespread cult.

More precisely...catholicism is a power base. A tool for influence and manipulation.

But nevermind that...go way way way back and find out just what sort of incense they used to burn during ceramonies.

[Oneironaut]

'Potheads' are awfully anti-establishment in nature.

That's because the establishment is currently anti-pothead in nature. I don't think there's sufficient evidence to conclude that if Jesus existed (and that's a pretty big if) he smoked marijuana. There isn't any reference to smoking marijuana in historical texts from that time in that region, especially not in the Gospels.

In those days the multitude being very great, and having nothing to smoke, Jesus called his disciples unto him, and saith unto them,

I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now been with me three days, and have nothing to smoke:

And if I send them away sober to their own houses, they will faint by the way; for divers of them came from far.

And his disciples answered him, From whence can a man satisfy these men with buds here in the wilderness?

And he asked them, How many buds have ye? And they said, Seven.

And he commanded the people to sit down on the ground: and he took the seven buds, and gave thanks, and brake, and gave to his disciples to set before them; and they did set them before the people.

And they had a few small pieces of hash: and he blessed, and commanded to set them also before them.

So they did smoke, and were baked: and they took up of the broken bud that was left seven baskets.

And they that had smoked were about four thousand: and he sent them away.

[slowthestone]

I can only say...you've been looking for the wrong wording.

The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14).

Perhaps you're familiar with the word 'shiva'.

btw...Jesus was a real person. Theres absolutely no disputing the fact that the man was here on Earth. Was he the son of christ though...that'd be the debate.

Either way, theres no getting around historical accounts of the period that had anyone whom was anointed, was done so with oil with cannabis as the key ingredient.

Then theres the mention of 'fragrant cane'...translated into the Hebrew Kaneh Bosum translated into English as...cannabis.

~sigh~...it won't much matter until records are unearthed indicating that Jesus had some sort of contact with marijuana. Right about then is when some serious denial on the part of many Christians would run rampant all over the globe.

And about current establishments being anti-pot and the pothead's reaction to such...establishments change...the effects of marijuana on people do not.

Hellz, even here in about as pot friendly an environment one can find...theres an undercurrent of anti-establishment. Potheads simply want to do things they want to do without outside interference.

[Oneironaut]

I can only say...you've been looking for the wrong wording.

The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14).

All right, assuming this interpretation is correct, all it would prove is that some of the people who wrote the Old Testament were familiar with making oils from cannabis, not that anybody was smoking it back then, or that people in first-century Palestine would have been smoking it. Smoking weed is a relatively modern phenomenon.

btw...Jesus was a real person. Theres absolutely no disputing the fact that the man was here on Earth.

I have not been shown sufficient evidence that he did in fact exist. I've looked, and I'm certainly open to the idea that he might have existed, but I have been unable to find conclusive historical evidence on the matter.

Was he the son of christ though...that'd be the debate.

Son of Christ? I thought he was supposed to be Christ himself, and the Son of God.

Either way, theres no getting around historical accounts of the period that had anyone whom was anointed, was done so with oil with cannabis as the key ingredient.

Then theres the mention of 'fragrant cane'...translated into the Hebrew Kaneh Bosum translated into English as...cannabis.

That's assuming that this kaneh-bosm thing really is cannabis. I've done a lot of studying of etymology, and in the field of historical linguistics there is a lot of uncertainty about this kind of thing. From what I can find, it probably is the case that the Scythian root "kanap" is the root of the Latin word "cannabis" and related words in European languages (English "hemp", Dutch "hennep", German "Hanf", French "chanvre", Spanish "cáñamo", Russian "konoplya", etc.), but there really isn't enough evidence to convince the linguistic community that it came ultimately from the Hebrew "kaneh-bosm". It may have, it may not have. When you're talking about languages that have been dead for millennia, it's hard to be sure.

~sigh~...it won't much matter until records are unearthed indicating that Jesus had some sort of contact with marijuana. Right about then is when some serious denial on the part of many Christians would run rampant all over the globe.

I doubt such records will come up, considering the paucity of historical evidence on this Jesus character outside the Gospels in the first place. And even then, Christians are not exactly open to new historical documents about Jesus. Remember that whole Gospel of Judas conundrum? How many sects of Christianity do you think are going to start including that one in their Bibles?

And about current establishments being anti-pot and the pothead's reaction to such...establishments change...the effects of marijuana on people do not.

Hellz, even here in about as pot friendly an environment one can find...theres an undercurrent of anti-establishment. Potheads simply want to do things they want to do without outside interference.

True, but I would argue that this is largely the result of the fact that cannabis has been forced into a subculture. The people who enjoy pot are the same people who have disregard for authority, simply because those who follow authority don't like to do illegal things. I don't think this undercurrent is nearly as strong in, say, Amsterdam, and if it exists there at all it is probably from foreign influences and the fact that cannabis is still largely restricted (although tolerated) there.

[slowthestone]

Ayy...that was a good read and a nice reply.

I'll only comment on that theres nothing new about marijuana use among humans. Look into how far back its use goes on the contenents of Asia and India for more on that.

Oh oh! And indeed its cloudy about Jesus as christ or as son of gOD.

Hmmm...

Makes me wonder if Jesus was a conspiracy invented around the death of a whomever for sake of creating a political/religious movement for sake of upending the then powers that be.

As in, Jesus was real...but was he really of direct decent of gOD...or was that just said so that those that came after him might free themselves of a kind of tyranny.

The debate of what all occured, and by whos hand, on Sept 11th and the open division between the two sides of that event that no doubt occured...but exactly how it went down...etc...I apply that debate to Jesus and a s'posed resurection and...well...it's giving me a headache so I'll be stopping now.