Is smoking marijuana a sin

[Shannon]

Fuck no its not a sin, god put it on the earth were just making good use out of it :rasta:

[IanCurtisWishlist]

"is marijuana a sin"? it would depend on who you ask. jerry falwell and george bush would love to have you believe that it is a sin. the christian RIGHT WING (as most are) would like to tell you it is a sin, however this is namely because of political reasons.

the way i see it, everything was created by God for a useful purpose. Take a look around you. We have trees which produce oxygen. We have opium poppies which have been used as effective medicine for literately thousands fo years, used to treat pain. We have apples and oranges and vegitables which are a good source of vitamins.

If we first of all choose to believe in the theory of intelligent creation, and then choose to believe in the God of Abraham and Moses and Jesus, would it then be blasphemy against God to assume that something created by GOD HIMSELF is sinful? God created everything good (i.e. holy) as it is said in the Torah; the jewish scriptures (don't ask me to quote that, just google it).. for christians that's the "old testament".

The way i see it, God has created everything for a purpose. God created the opium poppy to control pain; God created vegitables as nutritious food for us to live off of. For what purpose then, did God create Marijuana This being said, would you not then assume it blasphemous to say that something God created is "sinful" and "bad" and "immoral" etc?

The way I see it, who the fuck is mr. preacher so-and-so to judge my actions? He's a person like myself.

Do what you think is right for yourself, don't be scared into thinking that if you smoke some herb then you will burn in hell. That's just another form of control!!!

[Oneironaut]

Yeah, even if the Bible was correct, smoking weed wouldn't be a sin. Nowhere is it condemned, and probably smoking pot was completely unknown among the ancient Hebrews who wrote the thing. And it says clearly in the very first chapter of the Bible:

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
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And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

[braddog10]

Evolution is being abandoned by non Christian scientist.

Gray mentioned something about the world in which we live....left to statistical chance. You having two eyes, two ears, all your specialized organs, and the clincher........the single cell, impossible to just "occur". It has delicate, chemical balances, a system, just as ours is. A tremendously complex unit, It has DNA!.. for Gods sake!! this is laughable.....Now Get this ~ THE SINGLE CELL IS IRREDUCIBLE ~ It can't suvive w/o any of the many critical life chemicals it is made of. Oneironaut, not at you, ........at the people that taught you, and came up with this crap. Statistical chance Gray? Wow....This takes more faith than I've got. Interesting religion you have there. If the single cell is dead then so is the whole of their religion, This very belief has been their most sacred Holy religious Icon. Guarded .......as well as anyone would guard their most sacred Holy truths.

Life coming from non life ?!!! To bet against these kind of odds even occasionally, I'd be a wealthy man.


Just a side note,...when I observe an expressed criticism of God. I can't help but notice that the implied reference.............. is to the Christian God. The individual acknowledges Him by default. To me, it is so obvious. I will concede that...........maybe this is just me...

There is so much documented History of Our Creator, as He is identified in the Bible. Documented In Egypt, In Persia, ....stones were unearthed documenting the Assyrian seize, recorded by the Assyrians no less, God slew a hundred thousand, over night, this stone made reference to â??Hezekiah of the house of Davidâ?�. Some atheist claim that King David was a fable. I find that their homework is .....well..their research is fabricated.. Excuse me, ...... These are IRS tactics. Prove that you did not make this much money. Prove that your house is not worth this much, Oh,....and by the way .......you can pay for your own home appraisal.

Well, Mr. Jennings ....you have the right to be silent, and you are guilty by the way until you can prove your self innocent.. Boy..... Oh, My!!.... We have some serious allegations here. Hope you have a good attorney. ...........Well, Iâ??m very sorry Mr Jennings, but you have failed to satisfy your innocence of our claim against you, so I senten.........

These people claim God to be mean, judgmental, cruel, harsh, and unfair, ...unbelievable Hypocrisy?? Oneironaut, the God you describe, the attributes, the labels you assign, are not consistent with who He clearly is ............. revealed. Tallies up niceness? naughtiness?..Santa Clause? The Scripture that I have posted, clearly reflects otherwise. Please click on my name and work you way back. I started posting "The Word" about a month ago.

Please do it, I hope it helps you. I have already described above what it is to make claims with out knowledge. I believe you desire honesty.

Oneironaut, You were remarkably humble in the midst of my rudeness. Please email me, I would like to correspond privately.

Braddog

[Hamlet]

You're forgetting the rest..

"the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. ...."but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, though shalt not eat of it: of in that day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever...."

hehehe...nothing's ever simple, is it?

[Oneironaut]

Evolution is being abandoned by non Christian scientist.

Like who? The consensus among biologists and paleontologists is very clear, if you actually bother to listen to what they have to say.

Gray mentioned something about the world in which we live....left to statistical chance. You having two eyes, two ears, all your specialized organs, and the clincher........the single cell, impossible to just "occur". It has delicate, chemical balances, a system, just as ours is. A tremendously complex unit, It has DNA!.. for Gods sake!! this is laughable.....

Ah yes, the old argument from personal incredulity. "I can't think of why this is therefore God did it (oops I mean the "Intelligent Designer" who might be space aliens or something).

Oneironaut, not at you, ........at the people that taught you, and came up with this crap. Statistical chance Gray? Wow....This takes more faith than I've got. Interesting religion you have there. If the single cell is dead then so is the whole of their religion, This very belief has been their most sacred Holy religious Icon. Guarded .......as well as anyone would guard their most sacred Holy truths.

Life coming from non life ?!!! To bet against these kind of odds even occasionally, I'd be a wealthy man.

If life did not come from non-life, then life has been around forever.

Your whole argument boils down to complexity. If something is sufficiently complex, then it must have been designed, and life fulfills that criterion. Well then, you have to apply that idea consistently. If life is too complex, then so is a life-designer, which must be way more complex than any organism or ecosystem we've ever seen. What are the chances of something THAT complicated just suddenly arising out of nothingness?

Just a side note,...when I observe an expressed criticism of God. I can't help but notice that the implied reference.............. is to the Christian God. The individual acknowledges Him by default. To me, it is so obvious. I will concede that...........maybe this is just me...

Huh?

There is so much documented History of Our Creator, as He is identified in the Bible. Documented In Egypt, In Persia, ....stones were unearthed documenting the Assyrian seize, recorded by the Assyrians no less, God slew a hundred thousand, over night, this stone made reference to “Hezekiah of the house of David”. Some atheist claim that King David was a fable. I find that their homework is .....well..their research is fabricated.. Excuse me, ...... These are IRS tactics. Prove that you did not make this much money. Prove that your house is not worth this much, Oh,....and by the way .......you can pay for your own home appraisal.

Well, Mr. Jennings ....you have the right to be silent, and you are guilty by the way until you can prove your self innocent.. Boy..... Oh, My!!.... We have some serious allegations here. Hope you have a good attorney. ...........Well, I’m very sorry Mr Jennings, but you have failed to satisfy your innocence of our claim against you, so I senten.........

These people claim God to be mean, judgmental, cruel, harsh, and unfair, ...unbelievable Hypocrisy?? Oneironaut, the God you describe, the attributes, the labels you assign, are not consistent with who He clearly is ............. revealed. Tallies up niceness? naughtiness?..Santa Clause? The Scripture that I have posted, clearly reflects otherwise. Please click on my name and work you way back. I started posting "The Word" about a month ago.

Please do it, I hope it helps you. I have already described above what it is to make claims with out knowledge. I believe you desire honesty.

Oneironaut, You were remarkably humble in the midst of my rudeness. Please email me, I would like to correspond privately.

Braddog

Even if the Bible was true, I would have to be a Satanist. It says in that book that Yahweh is a cruel, racist, sexist, homophobic, pro-slavery totalitarian dictator who imposes his arbitrary rules on everybody and burns them if they break the rules and then don't get on their knees and start groveling about it. Seriously, I can honestly say that Yahweh is the worst character in any book I have ever read. Satan's reported evils pale in comparison.

Just like Hitler, Yahweh has a chosen people that is told to exterminate other peoples which are determined to be somehow intrinsically inferior and corrupt. Just like Hitler, Yahweh sends them in to kill the men, take the women and children (well actually Hitler didn't do that one), expropriate the wealth, and start living in their new Lebensraum that has been freed from the inferior races. Just like Hitler, Yahweh demands complete and unquestioning obedience or else you'll be tortured and burned. I refuse to support authoritarian dictators bent on nationalism and slavery who proclaim themselves the be-all and end-all of existence while demanding that you worship them. That is tyranny and I would not stand for it, since I support democracy and equality.

"A jealous lover of human liberty, deeming it the absolute condition of all that we admire and respect in humanity, I reverse the phrase of Voltaire, and say that, if God really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him." —Mikhail Bakunin

[braddog10]

Quote:Braddog
Oneironaut, not at you, ........at the people that taught you, and came up with this crap. Statistical chance Gray? Wow....This takes more faith than I've got. Interesting religion you have there. If the single cell is dead then so is the whole of their religion, This very belief has been their most sacred Holy religious Icon. Guarded .......as well as anyone would guard their most sacred Holy truths.
Life coming from non life ?!!! To bet against these kind of odds even occasionally, I'd be a wealthy man.





Quote:Oneironaut
Your whole argument boils down to complexity. If something is sufficiently complex, then it must have been designed, and life fulfills that criterion. Well then, you have to apply that idea consistently. If life is too complex, then so is a life-designer, which must be way more complex than any organism or ecosystem we've ever seen. What are the chances of something THAT complicated just suddenly arising out of nothingness?
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Your response here is dangling, so there for God doesn't exist, or superior being which you touch on but then moved away from. Circles man....... Many words, nothing said. No points addressed by you either, in you entire post. I'm embarrassed for you. This is too painful for me to watch. You become stupid, sorry buddy, stupid, by your denial of a designer. Scientific societies, Christian and non Christian alike have already agreed on this. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, MAN.

It hurts me to say this. I feel diminished by it. Look, I am grateful that you changed that disgusting signature. Lets chill.....How you and Breuk come onto the spiritual boards sometimes would be considered anti social and mentally Ill in any other venue. Preaching your sick anti-gospel....oh it's a gospel.... don't misunderstand me. But it is an anti-gospel, never the less.

[braddog10]

Correction,
I missed part of oneironauts quote:

If life did not come from non-life, then life has been around forever.

Your whole argument boils down to complexity. If something is sufficiently complex, then it must have been designed, and life fulfills that criterion. Well then, you have to apply that idea consistently. If life is too complex, then so is a life-designer, which must be way more complex than any organism or ecosystem we've ever seen. What are the chances of something THAT complicated just suddenly arising out of nothingness?

[LordSmaug]

Like who? The consensus among biologists and paleontologists is very clear, if you actually bother to listen to what they have to say.

Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview)
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist
Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr. Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology -

Just to name a fraction of a percentage. Incase you've been under a rock for the passed 30 years you'd know that Creation supporting scientists are the fastest growing minority in all of the scientific fields.

You should know that Darwins Theory is a dismal failure. I predict that within 20 years people are going to read up on the theory and think how stupid it was that anyone could ever believe it. No scientific field supports Darwinism in any fashion. Especially not Archeology, which Darwin thought would prove his theory in time. It ended up doing the exact oppossite.

And to answer your question about how something as infinitely complex God could "pop" into being from nothingness is simple if you think about it. Time is something created by God. Time only exists within the universe as we know it and since God exists outside of Time that makes him the only being that can exist without an origin point. Which brings me to the topic of how the universe was created. If you heard a loud bang in the other room and we where both sitting in an office and you said "what happened?" and I said "nothing." you wouldn't accept that as an answer. You would assume that SOMETHING caused that loud noise out there. The same is true for the "big Bang" theory.

Not to mention the rediculouse amount of fine tuning that this planet required for life to flourish. We live in essence what is a "Goldie locks" zone. The exact right point in the galaxy, Exactly where we would need to be in the solar system, perfect gravity, A moon which stabalizes the earths rotation which is exactly 40 times smaller than the sun -which gives us the opportunity to see solar eclipses- Just the right amount of different Elements and we're perfectly situated in the cosmo's to view other star systems. Like it was made for us to be able to explore and discover what lies beyond the milky way. There's such a rediculousely huge amount of evidence in support of Creationism that I would have to write a book about it to cover some of the points, and by the time I finished Darwinians would stop resorting to circular reasoning and abandon the faith they put so much stock in.

Mind you i'm just some 18 year old kid living in another country. So if you believe age and wisdom go hand in hand you can claim that anything I say is unreliable and can easily be brushed aside.

-but that would make you ignorant-

[braddog10]

LordSmaug, You didn't provide addresses and Ph #'s, Apparently, this guy takes issue with their conclusions.


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