[QUOTE=birdgirl73]

As for the low-road takers here on politics, their incivility and profanity is generally an indicator that they don't have the intellectual capability to articulate themselves in any other way. Yes, political discussions get heated. But in the rules of debate or in a conversation in someone's living room, which is what I think this is like, I have to hope people wouldn't get so out of control.

Manners and civility say a lot about people. QUOTE]

I voted for the laxed rules, altho I do see your opinion here to be very valid.

Espeascialy when it comes to useing insults instead of being able to articulate ones own opinion.

Bong, is one that I would typically say is a "bootstrapper", by that I'm betting that the saying "people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps" has come from his thoughts pretty often, when the topis of welfare and social reform come up.

people like this tend to see things in black and white and like to talk in absolutes. "Only the Sith speak in absolutes"- Obi Won Kenobi
As well as a whole host of other "typical" ways of thinking, the entire pattern is a work in progress for me.

Only reason I bring up bong as my example, is because the attack in the other area of the forum was made on him, and it was his language in this forum (politics), that brought on the attack, and personally I see it the same way as Bird, his non-ability to articulate himself in other manners. Altho this does not validate the attack made on him. There are other ways to handle a disagreement, to do so requires makeing a personal choice.

As much as I dont agree with flameing, I cant say that ive not been guilty of it myself.

Over the last months Ive learned a great deal about myself, and where I stand on topics I'm interested in. But the most important thing Ive learned is that I really dont "know" anything. That everything in life is subject to change at the will of whatever happens next.

Don't coral the politics forum with the same rules used in other areas, I am more than confident in my own ability to participate in an intellegent conversation, and in my ability to choose who I have, and dont have a consersation with.