Oh, Zandor I am not trying to offend you or anyone else on the board. After I wrote it up, having different medical MJ users in mind I thought that I had did a fare job in laying it out in such a way to not be misconstrued., so when you make it sound like I might be questionable, it discourages me a little considering that I have done allot of research on all kinds of turnkey systems and for safety reasons I wont say much except that I myself have a disability that has made it extremely hard for me to grow in the past and at this point in time I do not own or have any type of affiliation with any makers or distributors of any systems and do not plan on it unless out of the blue one of them were to call me and drop a few $2 $3000 units on me which I do not see happening. so first off let me start by saying that when I said, "Before all of the anti commercial, anti capitalistic, anti greedy money hungry corporate American tempers flare up." I was making a comment relating to the attitudes that many of us growers have and rightly so, but in this case I was trying to start off the talk by trying to explain that perhaps this could be a discussion about a group of commercial products that are yes, over priced, but may still be a help to some MJ users that are not able to do what many others on this board do in the way of growing without the attitudes that I feel are attached to these systems and voiced by quite a few people on the board that seem to come up when the topic of turnkey systems are posted. I don't know if that is out of line, at least I thought I was coming at this the right way.
As far as the currant thread that is going on right now about a grow box, the Producer, if you look closely you will see that I have been trying to help XLT grower. With any of my post as few as they are I think that it would be clear that I am strait up.
One of the reasons that I brought this up besides the reasons I mentioned in my post that still seem to be valid in my opinion, is because when ever I have read a post on the board regarding someone making inquiries about turnkey systems they generally seem to get more nocks about building their own and how much a rip off these turnkeys are. I figure that being the case it would be hard for a person to get a run down on these systems in the same way that people give advice on other equipment on the board such as lighting, hydro set ups, soils and so on.
Again, I am not trying to offend anyone, I have read the archive thread about the fellow who came on pushing the suncell box and I laughed as you put the "smack down" on him by showing some lovely picts. I have read so many of your threads and even in the short time I have been on here I generally cross reference allot of things I might say by reading any posts that you may have made on the particular topic and I have put allot of time in doing so because I have come to respect so many of your comments. You have made more things clear to me in a few months than years of being on the scene.
Well, that's my spill. Doesn't look like this will get the discussion going that I had intended. The best laid plans of mice and men go a stray I guess.
Adieu
PS. If I seem a little sensitive in my reply it is because when a person who is a wealth of info and knowledge such as yourself comes through and seems to say "Hmm are you trying to run some smoking mirrors trick on here," that's what the little heart on my sleeve said in my ear, it is quite discouraging as I said above.