Slavery Reparations

[sanguinekane]

[align=center]sanguinekane it's almost like you are saying Too bad Ni66er.[/align]

There is nothing reasonable that can be offered to ME as reparations. There is no appology great enough, there is no amount of gold heavy enough, there is no diamond flawless enough, there is no McNasty's burger nutritious enough, there isn't nothing material that can be offered unto the I that can account for over 500 years where a people have been kept under perpetual bondage to this very day.

Ones and ones can say all they like about how they don't wanna be held accountable for what their forebearers did when they enslaved, tortured, murdered, raped, robbed and did and did not do's. But all the so called work that has put particular categories of people into a stead fast position for the foreseable future has already been done. The work of people like Willie Lynch by use of the Christian dictrine has been assimilated long time ago and has left people in the diaspora psycologically traumatised with no Real knowledge of who they are and where they are from.

We Africans in the diaspora were kidnapped by psychos, travelled with the psycho, lived with the psycho, worked for the psycho, got raped by the psycho, ent up with little psycho children (kids*) amid other things until we assimilated the psychopathic tendencies of MASSA.

Six generations of your family being stripped of almost everything they knew and of the things that they held close to their heart doesn't deserve reparations. It's bigger than money and land. Its as big as Moses Law 'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth'.

When one is living in the diaspora under new rules and livity and their cultural ties have been severed, you can't offer that person a speed boat and say "ok, you built up my system now you can go home". Where is home? When all that is exists in the diaspora is there to divert people's attention from TRUTH how do you make concious decissions and what are those decission based on?

No one isn't bothered these days. The category of persons who have benefitted greatly from 'slavery', why are they/you going to be bothered when everything for you/them is running the best it ever has. The secret is best kept.

I got photos of what Queen Alexandrina Victoria of Englands Uncle King Leopold did to the Congolese in the 1800s. Fortunately not all evidence is under lock and key and Kodak was trying out his cameras around this time. He (leopold) personally saw to it that Millions of Jet Black Congolese were killed or mutilated just for his own sick gains. When you go to Belgium and look at the buildings from that era, you can see how a category of people viewed life, African life. You can see how those lives were spent. There is no trace of the real story because it's been Black Out with White Wash.

Belguim isn't the only beneficiary. Many countries, seen today as the developed world, have sourced everything to make the wheels of the system turn out of Africa and places that have been inhabitied by Black people period. There is no thanks, or offering that can make me feel good about why Ghana, Gambia, Nigeria, Senegal or any of those places are still not MY home. Anyone that says go back there, I got this to say. I've been there. After the destruction, that has had a dramatically cataclysmic effect, you think things are goin to be normal or back how they were?

There is only one of two answers in my view and they are extreme. The reversal of slavery would be the magic. But this will never happen. Reversing slavery, to me, means to undo exactly what was done by way of replay but with the shoes on the other foot. Some people call this giving .. a taste of their own medicine. There would be no real solution there since using the same tac-tics to get a nation to bow to submission means things start goin in circles that can sometimes get out of control. The other is for me to hand out knive and guns and enough evidence to make people commit suicide.

As an African, I don't feel a need to kill someone, but I welcome anyone who wants to cut their own throat on web cam or in front of me. I got more to do finding my spiritual self than thinking how best to spend £777trillion with the queen of englands mug shot on it. I'd be a DICK if i bowed to £777trillion as would any other ni66er.

Just to close: we all know that the statue of liberty represents freedom. Well, it isn't exactly on US Soil. Its Offshore. The statue might represent freedom, but it's out at sea. If i want to be free as an American, I gotta leave.

So, if I understand this correctly, your idea of reparations would be having white people commit suicide? Excuse me if I don't jump on this bandwagon, but that idea seems about 1,000X worse than reparations.

sanguinekane Reviewed by sanguinekane on 07-13-2006. Slavery Reparations Whats your opinion here? I ask his simply because I saw this http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-35/1152468561277940.xml&storylist=newsmichigan pop up on Fark. Personally, I'm against them in just about every form. Why should we pay for something our ancestors did, something we had no control over. In fact, I shouldn't even say "we", as I'm the child of immigrants, and so I'd be paying for someone else's ancestors fuck ups. Not to mention that working out who gets Rating: 5

[jamstigator]

Lol, yeah, that's extreme. Turning back time and having the white folks play the role of slaves is also extreme. Isn't that just saying: slavery isn't bad, it's only bad if you do it to ME. Sorry, I don't buy that. It's either bad or it's not, and I think it is bad, regardless of the ethnicity (or sex, or sexual preference, or blood type, or IQ, or anything else) of the slaves.

The people who were slaves, they're dead. The people who owned slaves, they're dead. In all probability, there are few, if any, of either population's children alive now either. The pre-Civil War era is effectively just about as old news as the days of the Roman Empire. And hey, since I'm German in descent, and the Romans kicked our German asses off and on for a few centuries (a whole lot longer than blacks got their asses kicked in the U.S.), can *I* have some reparations from Italy?

Yoohoo! These cows are dead! You can stop trying to milk them now!

[Psycho4Bud]

Give each person of a non-white race $1,000,000 and lets see what happens:

African American: pop. 35,000,000
Native American: pop 2,500,000
Asian American pop: 10,000,000
Native Hawian pop: 500,000

Now that is 48,000,000 people or a tab of $48,000,000,000,000! What do ya think the value of that dollar is going to be when our government is belly up?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[BlueBear]

Saying payment for past crimes is ludicrous, or it's time to move on, or the present generation was neither victim or criminal is part of the problem with

the great American psyche. We've never once been held accountable for our wanton destruction of native land and culture, or our global expansion at the

behest of commercial interest. The doctrines and policies of the U.S. were built on the arrogant and bigoted notions of destiny, and cultural, if not racial,

superiority.

The question is more symbolic (actually more timeless) than practical. If you dismiss the question as unfair, untimely or irrelevant, then I humbly suggest

you're missing the point.

Missing the point? What exactly is

the point? Why should there be reparation made? The answer? It is a two edge sword. What race exactly on the face of this earth hasn't been enslaved? which portion of minority Americans are entitled to reparation? The question seems a little ludicrous to me, but then again I am not into feeding half of the pointless topics that I come across on a daily basis.

At this point, how many other lands and cultures is the US supposed to repay for cruel and manipulative treatment? In how many ways has our western culture enslaved the mines and lives of millions only to help their culture to evolve into a superficial, immoral and materialistic people? How long will those affects have on those cultures? Who is to pay? The African American was cruely treated for 2 centuries with even longer lasting affects, and many more cultures have been under the same conditions for many more centuries. Even in Africa to this day Africans war against one another in the most barbaric ways. Would I wish to be there and call that my home land? Would you?

Well as I rant and rave, I looked back to a book that has an excerpt of the history of man and as I read it I wonder how big a part of history this question even plays in the so called Great American psyche. Rather to me there is a greater psyche of man past and present that pervades any time, nation or class and to blame one nation or one government for the nature of mans follies, accomplishments, greed and misguidance throughout history is truly ludicrous in my "humble" opinion.

Here is the excerpt that I referred to on the history of man, kind of long winded so if your not particularly into this topic just skip over. When reading, ask your self, did I understand that the scope of the evolution of man, laws and cultures was so vast? Could I have sketched a better plan considering the length, depth and breadth of mans evolution? Many more questions you could ask yourself, but I am just an observer and hope that others can turn the wheels of observation and analytical and abstract deduction in a logical manor arriving at a simple answer which is, history and man are to big to place in a box and send to the repair store and fix it with any one tool.

"History of Human Error." It is , therefore, the moral history of mankind, told with
earnestness, . In all true humor lies its germ, pathos. Oh! by the
goddess Moria, or Folly. He viewed man
first in the savage state, preferring in this the positive accounts of
voyagers and travellers to the vague myths of antiquity and the dreams of
speculators on our pristine state. From Australia and Abyssinia he drew
pictures of mortality unadorned, as lively as if he had lived amongst
Bushmen and savages all his life. Then he crossed over the Atlantic, and
brought before you the American Indian, with his noble nature, struggling
into the dawn of civilization, when Friend Penn cheated him out of his
birthright, and the Anglo-Saxon drove him back into darkness. He showed
both analogy and contrast between this specimen of our kind and others
equally apart from the extremes of the savage state and the
cultured,--the Arab in his tent, the Teuton in his forests, the
Greenlander in his boat, the Finn in his reindeer car. Up sprang the rude
gods of the North and the resuscitated Druidism, passing from its
earliest templeless belief into the later corruptions of crommell and
idol. Up sprang, by their side, the Saturn of the Phoenicians, the mystic
Budh of India, the elementary deities of the Pelasgian, the Naith and
Serapis of Egypt, the Ormuzd of Persia, the Bel of Babylon, the winged
genii of the graceful Etruria. How nature and life shaped the religion;
how the religion shaped the manners; how, and by what influences, some
tribes were formed for progress; how others were destined to remain
stationary, or be swallowed up in war and slavery by their brethren,--was
told with a precision clear and strong as the voice of Fate. Not only an
antiquarian and philologist, but an anatomist and philosopher, my father
brought to bear on all these grave points the various speculations
involved in the distinction of races. He showed how race in perfection is
produced, up to a certain point, by admixture; how all mixed races have
been the most intelligent; how, in proportion as local circumstance and
religious faith permitted the early fusion of different tribes, races
improved and quickened into the refinements of civilization. He tracked
the progress and dispersion of the Hellenes from their mythical cradle in
Thessaly, and showed how those who settled near the sea-shores, and were
compelled into commerce and intercourse with strangers, gave to Greece
her marvellous accomplishments in arts and letters,--the flowers of the
ancient world. How others, like the Spartans; dwelling evermore in a
camp, on guard against their neighbors, and rigidly preserving their
Dorian purity of extraction, contributed neither artists, nor poets, nor
philosophers to the golden treasure-house of mind. He took the old race
of the Celts, Cimry, or Cimmerians. He compared the Celt who, as in
Wales, the Scotch Highlands, in Bretagne, and in uncomprehended Ireland,
retains his old characteristics and purity of breed, with the Celt whose
blood, mixed by a thousand channels, dictates from Paris the manners and
revolutions of the world. He compared the Norman, in his ancient
Scandinavian home, with that wonder of intelligence and chivalry into
which he grew, fused imperceptibly with the Frank, the Goth, and the
Anglo-Saxon. He compared the Saxon, stationary in the land of Horsa, with
the colonist and civilizes of the globe as he becomes when he knows not
through what channels--French, Flemish, Danish, Welsh, Scotch, and
Irish--he draws his sanguine blood. And out from all these speculations,
to which I do such hurried and scanty justice, he drew the blessed truth,
that carries hope to the land of the Caffre, the but of the
Bushman,--that there is nothing in the flattened skull and the ebon
aspect that rejects God's law, improvement; that by the same principle
which raises the dog, the lowest of the animals in its savage state, to
the highest after man--viz., admixture of race--you can elevate into
nations of majesty and power the outcasts of humanity, now your
compassion or your scorn. But when my father got into the marrow of his
theme; when, quitting these preliminary discussions, he fell pounce
amongst the would-be wisdom of the wise; when he dealt with civilization
itself, its schools, and porticos, and academies; when he bared the
absurdities couched beneath the colleges of the Egyptians and the
Symposia of the Greeks; when he showed that, even in their own favorite
pursuit of metaphysics, the Greeks were children, and in their own more
practical region of politics, the Romans were visionaries and bunglers;
when, following the stream of error through the Middle Ages, he quoted
the puerilities of Agrippa, the crudities of Cardan, and passed, with his
calin smile, into the salons of the chattering wits of Paris in the
eighteenth century,--oh! then his irony was that of Lucian, sweetened by
the gentle spirit of Erasmus. For not even here was my father's satire of
the cheerless and Mephistophelian school. From this record of error he
drew forth the grandeurs of truth. He showed how earnest men never think
in vain, though their thoughts may be errors. He proved how, in vast
cycles, age after age, the human mind marches on, like the ocean,
receding here, but there advancing; how from the speculations of the
Greek sprang all true philosophy; how from the institutions of the Roman
rose all durable systems of government; how from the robust follies of
the North came the glory of chivalry, and the modern delicacies of honor,
and the sweet, harmonizing influences of woman. He tracked the ancestry
of our Sidneys and Bayards from the Hengists, Genserics, and Attilas.
Full of all curious and quaint anecdote, of original illustration, of
those niceties of learning which spring from a taste cultivated to the
last exquisite polish, the book amused and allured and charmed; and
erudition lost its pedantry, now in the simplicity of Montaigne, now in
the penetration of La Bruyere. He lived in each time of which he wrote,
and the time lived again in him. Ah! what a writer of romances he would
have been if--if what? If he had had as sad an experience of men's
passions as he had the happy intuition into their humors. But he who
would see the mirror of the shore must look where it is cast on the
river, not the ocean. The narrow stream reflects the gnarled tree and the
pausing herd and the village spire and the romance of the landscape. But
the sea reflects only the vast outline of the headland and the lights of
the eternal heaven."

[graymatter]

Missing the point? What exactly is

the point? Why should there be reparation made? The answer? It is a two edge sword. What race exactly on the face of this earth hasn't been enslaved? which portion of minority Americans are entitled to reparation? The question seems a little ludicrous to me, but then again I am not into feeding half of the pointless topics that I come across on a daily basis.

At this point, how many other lands and cultures is the US supposed to repay for cruel and manipulative treatment?

Hey, bluebear, first off, I'll go out on a limb and say that none of your relatives or distant ancestors were slaves. Nor were they hapless subjects of U.S. led coups and overthrows in Cuba, Panama (aka Columbia), Nicuragua, Honduras, Iran, Guatemala, and Chile.

OK, so neither were mine.

My point wasn't so much an indictment on human nature as much as "taking to task" the specific bondage, savagery and indignities imposed on an entire race of people. The consequences of never being held accountable for such practices result in attitudes and behaviors that trickle into our policies in Iraq today.

You ask what portion of minorities are "entitled"? Hell if I know, I'll leave the details to you and the lawyers... But I do think reducing the question to who gets what before contextually addressing the "why" is, again, part of what feeds the issue.

[SpiritLevel]

One of my great uncles was a slave according to my dad. That means slavery, to me, is on my back door.

[bhallg2k]

I have allways said Liberalism is a mental Disorder...........

Funny you mention that.

Researchers have actually said that conservatism is a mental disorder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...017546,00.html

[SpiritLevel]

does that mean liberalism and conservatism are both mental disorders?

[The Figment]

Not to sound racist but...
After reading this thred I asked some of the folk at work what they would spend the cash on if they got paid for reparations, here's what I got fer answers

A new Caddy with 20's
A wide screen TV
A Bigger House (This Person already has a 4000 sq ft home)
New clothes
Mo'Drugs (Really!)
A Lexas 450 SUV

Not one person said Collage fund for the kids,Retirement,savings or anything that wasn't instant gratification!!

After careful thought I guess that I don't want my tax monies spent that way!

[graymatter]

Not to sound racist but...
After reading this thred I asked some of the folk at work what they would spend the cash on if they got paid for reparations, here's what I got fer answers

A new Caddy with 20's
A wide screen TV
A Bigger House (This Person already has a 4000 sq ft home)
New clothes
Mo'Drugs (Really!)
A Lexas 450 SUV

Not one person said Collage fund for the kids,Retirement,savings or anything that wasn't instant gratification!!

After careful thought I guess that I don't want my tax monies spent that way!

LOL ... and your sample consisted of?