Thanks borbon for the advice I will put the plants in to flowering tommorow morning. My two biggest plants have reached about 11-12 inches now, and have two at around ten inches. The Pender champayne plants are still around seven Inches They seem to be going at slower rate should I wait. I should add that the Pender Champayne Plant are the smallest but are by far the bushes they are so bushy that I'm amazed they close to foot and half wide. Oh Yea I'm using a 1000 watt Mh light for veg. and going to use 1000 watt hps for flowering. Bizzy