Intelligent People are Chronics too!

[rhino44]

I agree also. Some people tend to think just because they went to a University and got a formal education they are somehow better than you or smarter. They are just better at conforming to the educational system and therefore thrive in that setting. I for one learn better by focusing on one or two subjects and really throwing myself into them and not having to deal with a bunch of other things simultaneously.

For instance in Highschool I took geometry in 9th grade and failed, then I failed it again in 10th grade. I thought I was just a retard at math(it's not my strongest subject) but then when I went to summer school I studied math six hours a day for 6 weeks and I got an A easily. I realized that the way the school system was set up(having 5-7 classes all crammed into one 7 hour day) just wasn't a very efficient way for me to learn. What can you do?

Also it depends on what you want to do with your life. If you enjoy school and have your mind set on a career that requires a degree then good for you. It doesn't necesarilly make you any brighter. If you have the means and the drive to succeed on your own terms then more power to you.

[psychocat]

Intelligent people have the sense not to be arrogant.
Intellegent people know that what they know is nothing compared to what they have to learn.
Intelligent people don't presume to be more intelligent than others.
Intelligent people strive to better themselves not so they can say "I'm really smart me" but so they can think "I am stretching my own capabilities and gaining a better understanding of the world".

IMO stupid is more about how you are than what you know, the "smartest" intellectual can be just as stupid as the so called idiot.

I have a friend who is "educated" and has more diplomas than you can shake a stick at but he does some really stupid things and then I have another friend who is "dumb" (bad schooling) and if I ever need my own McGyver this man rules, he can make anything out of nothing.

So in conclusion would someone please like to give me a suitable definition of "Intelligent" because you can be book smart but you also need a bit of street smarts if you want to make it in this life.

[SpiritLevel]

the definition i used was;

Intelligent is to be clever.

Being clever, I'd say, is the ability to do that McGyver stuff with the tools before you. Not just tools literally before you, but also tools that can be made with the tools you see. Cleverness is sometimes seeing what other people do not see, or hearing what other people do not hear.

"Place a monkey in a cage and it is like a pig. Not because it isn't clever and quick, but because it has no place to freely excercise its capabilities".

In academia, the group moves at the rate of its slowest learner. Some monkeys may be pig like because they have no place to freely excersice their capabilities.

[psychocat]

Knowledge is vague at best.
Which is more important?
The ability to repair a motorcycle or the ability to work out the finances of running a business, very different skills are needed but if you have a broken bike a banker is no good and visa versa.
Everyone has a skill or ability it just differs in direction.

[anycraic]

indeed!

[psychocat]

A little light relief??

http://www.mockery.org/notmensa/test.htm

Mensa is an even bigger joke , as Groucho once said "I would never be a member of a club that would have me for a member"

[SpiritLevel]

...So in conclusion would someone please like to give me a suitable definition of "Intelligent" because you can be book smart but you also need a bit of street smarts if you want to make it in this life.

Errr. So far so good.

the definition i used was;

Intelligent is to be clever.

Being clever, I'd say, is the ability to do that McGyver stuff with the tools before you. Not just tools literally before you, but also tools that can be made with the tools you see. Cleverness is sometimes seeing what other people do not see, or hearing what other people do not hear...

Right.

Knowledge is vague at best.
Which is more important?
The ability to repair a motorcycle or the ability to work out the finances of running a business, very different skills are needed but if you have a broken bike a banker is no good and visa versa.
Everyone has a skill or ability it just differs in direction.

Errr. How is knowledge vague? I suppose being 'in-the-know' or having knowledge of something is vague until it is required to bring that knowledge to the fore. I gotta wonder about the statement 'knowledge is vague'. If I considered my knowledge to be vague I think it would come about because I rarely use what I know. Assessing someones knowledge is vague if you just stand and look at them. Provoking reactions gives better scope of someone's knowledge, then what they know becomes less vague.

Having the ability to repair a motorcycle demands some practical knowledge of mechanics and electrics since those are the main subjects topics involved. Having the ability to work out finances demands a knowledge of elements of mathemetics. Either task, be it motorcycle repair or financing, requires knowledge. Knowledge on its own is useless. The applied use of knowledge dectates the usefulness of what one knows. More over the statement of knowledge being vague, is the satement that that statement is vague in itself. And yes, we all do have our own skills and abilities that we are good and shit at.

[psychocat]

Knowledge is vague , a simple statement easily explained.

Knowledge is based upon current pressumptions and opinions, since we only ever know what we know right now we can't be sure that it won't at some point in the future prove to be false or not as rigid as we at first thought.
Even "FACTS" of 100 years ago are ridiculed today as the posturing of the uneducated ,100 years from now we will probably be viewed in the same way.
Truth, fact, definate ,, I don't really buy it.
Question everything and take nothing for granted, impossible is simply a state of mind.

Then of course you have the question of perception, of course every person experiences things in their own unique way and since we can only ever be ourselves and imagining is not really real how can we truly understand something we can't experience, like how it feels to be a lab rat, we are told fish don't feel pain, how do we know that?
We barely have an understanding of our own bodies and brains.

As for the answer????? to my question as to which is most valid, I think you fail to understand the point I was trying to make.
The point is that academics are needed for different reasons than mechanics (PS my mate has no formal education he just knows bikes, he even struggles to read) and even without going to college or even finishing high school you can have a skill.

[MistaPoleeseMan]

Please. I wont even mention how many people I deal with that own most of the place i live and businesses and got huge families and police officers who smoke weed. Weed makes people too paranoid and to concerned with what other people are thinking of them. I couldnt do shit if I didnt smoke with my adhd. Its not possible to focus.

[SpiritLevel]

Knowledge is vague , a simple statement easily explained.

Knowledge is based upon current pressumptions and opinions, since we only ever know what we know right now we can't be sure that it won't at some point in the future prove to be false or not as rigid as we at first thought.
Even "FACTS" of 100 years ago are ridiculed today as the posturing of the uneducated ,100 years from now we will probably be viewed in the same way.
Truth, fact, definate ,, I don't really buy it.
Question everything and take nothing for granted, impossible is simply a state of mind.

Then of course you have the question of perception, of course every person experiences things in their own unique way and since we can only ever be ourselves and imagining is not really real how can we truly understand something we can't experience, like how it feels to be a lab rat, we are told fish don't feel pain, how do we know that?
We barely have an understanding of our own bodies and brains.

As for the answer????? to my question as to which is most valid, I think you fail to understand the point I was trying to make.
The point is that academics are needed for different reasons than mechanics (PS my mate has no formal education he just knows bikes, he even struggles to read) and even without going to college or even finishing high school you can have a skill.

If you had said knowledge was 'relative' I would have grasped your sentiment judging from your explanation. To me, presenting a statement bearing 'knowledge is vague' is vague in itself. It still is vague to me even though you have re presented it. Err, 100 years ago a ni66er couldn't eat in the same restaurant h0nkey. I wouldn't bring past and future into the equation right away because they are far too many additives to put on the table that require analysis. Actually, hands down, right now, I don't have a clue what you're on about. You have made a general statement that encompasses issues that can both support and shread the actual statement in an obscure manner. I think someone paid you to derail this thread from Intelligent People Being Chronics to spiritlevel is a dumbass.. I'm going to retreat, else I'll spent a lifetime disecting paragraphs with no more gold at the end of the rainbow than I'm already assured.