Superman and the Culture War

[bhallg2k]

I wonder if Bill O'Reilly jacks off to an American flag.

[Torog]

Isn't Superman really a god? He has powers far beyond the normal man, and the villain's name, Lex Luther, even sounds like Lucifer.

Hereâ??s more about the similarities of the first two Superman movies, and the bible(s).
http://www.unomaha.edu/jrf/Vol7No1/unholy.htm


My verdict: Up with secularism, and down with religion. The hell with Superman. He sucks. So does Batman.

O'Reilly can take a hike. I can't watch that idiot anymore. His statement, "the Judeo-Christian philosophy of personal responsibility are all under siege by stealth forces more powerful than a locomotive." is a laughable.

Howdy BA,

I don't see Superman as a god of any sort,and if there are any 'messages' in the film,they were authored by the writers and editors,of the script.

My verdict: Down with secularism and up with a personal relationship with God and His Son,Jesus Christ..our Lord and Saviour. Organized religion is in disarray at this time,due in part,to the "stealth forces more powerful than a locomotive", and I find O'Reilly's statement to be apt.

Unlike Bong30,I'll probably watch the movie when it comes out on pay-per-view,just to see how anti-American it is..just like I watch the evening news by the Big 3,to see what their latest hate-America message is for the masses. It is vital,after-all,to keep track of the enemy's latest propaganda,as well as their strategy and tactics. Hollyweirdos,are an important part of America's 5th column..you know-the side that aids and abbetts the enemies of America.

Have a good one ...

[DonnieDarko]

I wonder if Bill O'Reilly jacks off to an American flag.

I'm sure the flag was somewhere during the phone-sex encounters with his producer. Heterosexual sexual harassment is as American as "American Pie". Settling the case with a multi-million dollar hush money payment ... what's more american than that ??

O'Reilly got caught in the Jim Baker (and Rush Limbaugh) trap .... making millions judging the behavior of others, and not being able to stand up to their own "standards" of behavior.

There's a special place in Dante's Hell for those guys.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Howdy BA,

I don't see Superman as a god of any sort,and if there are any 'messages' in the film,they were authored by the writers and editors,of the script.
My verdict: Down with secularism and up with a personal relationship with God and His Son,Jesus Christ..our Lord and Saviour. Organized religion is in disarray at this time,due in part,to the "stealth forces more powerful than a locomotive", and I find O'Reilly's statement to be apt.
Unlike Bong30,I'll probably watch the movie when it comes out on pay-per-view,just to see how anti-American it is..just like I watch the evening news by the Big 3,to see what their latest hate-America message is for the masses. It is vital,after-all,to keep track of the enemy's latest propaganda,as well as their strategy and tactics. Hollyweirdos,are an important part of America's 5th column..you know-the side that aids and abbetts the enemies of America. Have a good one ...

The Republican and Democratic Parties "aids and abbetts he enemies of America". Why don't we stop buying oil from our enemies? Because Bush in in bed with the oil sheiks. He's selling us right down the river to them.

The majority of the Founding Fathers were not Christians. They were Deists, and hated organized religion - especially Thomas Jefferson. This country was not intended to be run by christers, and if we don't get it away from that we'll face destruction.

The "Son" of god is a gigantic hoax. Washington knew that, and 250 years later people still believe in these lies - which were stolen from the pagans, who didn't do a fraction of the killing and destruction that the (later) monotheistic religions have racked up. It is a disgrace that the Bible is held in high esteem by anybody, much less the president. Even if he doesn't believe in it 100% (nobody does), he's exploiting the brainwashed, lazy, ignorant masses to do his bidding. The terrorists did 9/11 for sure, but Bush has used it to further his agenda. Now we found that Iraqi terrorists were planning to blow up the Holland Tunnel. This is on Bush's head, IMHO. They never learn - we had the Shah of Iran replaced by the Khomeni, in Iran, and that should have taught us that secular is better. But NOOOOOOO! They've got to have their "faith" win the government. It's more than disgusting, it's downright reprehensible.




O'Reilly is another disgusting individual who is not only a hypocrite, but a liar as well. Don't even get me started on that asshole. :dance:

Time to smoke a bowl of New York Diesel (or whatever it is!).

Take it eeeeeez.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...reality_islam/

[Marlboroman]

The Republican and Democratic Parties "aids and abbetts he enemies of America". Why don't we stop buying oil from our enemies? Because Bush in in bed with the oil sheiks. He's selling us right down the river to them.

The majority of the Founding Fathers were not Christians. They were Deists, and hated organized religion - especially Thomas Jefferson. This country was not intended to be run by christers, and if we don't get it away from that we'll face destruction.

The "Son" of god is a gigantic hoax. Washington knew that, and 250 years later people still believe in these lies - which were stolen from the pagans, who didn't do a fraction of the killing and destruction that the (later) monotheistic religions have racked up. It is a disgrace that the Bible is held in high esteem by anybody, much less the president. Even if he doesn't believe in it 100% (nobody does), he's exploiting the brainwashed, lazy, ignorant masses to do his bidding. The terrorists did 9/11 for sure, but Bush has used it to further his agenda. Now we found that Iraqi terrorists were planning to blow up the Holland Tunnel. This is on Bush's head, IMHO. They never learn - we had the Shah of Iran replaced by the Khomeni, in Iran, and that should have taught us that secular is better. But NOOOOOOO! They've got to have their "faith" win the government. It's more than disgusting, it's downright reprehensible.




O'Reilly is another disgusting individual who is not only a hypocrite, but a liar as well. Don't even get me started on that asshole. :dance:

Time to smoke a bowl of New York Diesel (or whatever it is!).

Take it eeeeeez.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...reality_islam/

Altho I do agree that organized religion is down right malicious, I'd like to specify my reasoning.

Specifically the belief in hell, and consequently the belief in heaven are what truely does most of the damage.

It turns a spiritual path into a fear based system of control, by giveing a punishment/reward only proven by ones death.

Live life this way or go to hell. Which gives a direct contradiction to what many of the organized religions preach when they speak of forgiveness.

As I understand it, the Jewish religion doesnt have a heaven or a hell, and I see it not as a religion but more of a culture, of which I am not a member.

I dont agree with your outright belief that Terroists comitted the attacks on 9/11 in New York/Pentagon. To me there seems to be a growing community of people that are raising real questions as to the validity of the "official" explanation. I for one remain indecided.

As for your instistance of being secular, well I dont exactly agree on this either. The definition states it as being "Worldly rather than spiritual".

As to my reasoning, I'll say that organized religion has nothing to do with spirituality, as I'll define it as being as search into ones self. I think Our country would more than benefit in great ways if we each sought out answers to the questions within ourselves.

I would also like to point out that to have "faith" requires the suspension of logic. And you specifically called out those that have "faith " in their government.

To me, "faith" is exactly what you show when stateing as fact that terrorists comitted 9/11,as the "official" story, when so much evidence is there to question it.

[jamstigator]

Secularism has two distinct meanings.

a)It asserts the freedom of religion, and freedom from religion, within a state that is neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions.

b) It refers to a belief that human activities and decisions should be based on evidence and fact, and not superstitious beliefs, however devoutly held, and that policy should be free from religious domination. For example, a society deciding whether to promote condom use might consider the issues of disease prevention, family planning, and women's rights. A secularist would argue that such issues are relevant to public policy-making, whereas Biblical interpretation or church doctrine should not be considered and are irrelevant.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

As for who committed the 9/11 airliner bombings, what evidence is there that the 19 Muslim men were something other than organized terrorists carrying out a plan? Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but do any of them have any actual evidence to lend them credence?

[Dutch Pimp]

Well said Chief......"don't call me Chief"! .. you pretty much nailed it Tex.....damn, you'all... are hardcore.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Altho I do agree that organized religion is down right malicious, I'd like to specify my reasoning.

Specifically the belief in hell, and consequently the belief in heaven are what truely does most of the damage.
I specifically singled out the "monotheistic" religions as the worst culprets. The Tibetan Buddhists are not commiting jihad.

It turns a spiritual path into a fear based system of control, by giveing a punishment/reward only proven by ones death.
Exactly - and it's all for war, power and profits.

Live life this way or go to hell. Which gives a direct contradiction to what many of the organized religions preach when they speak of forgiveness.
Right, "Believe it or burn" is the motto of christinsanity.

As I understand it, the Jewish religion doesnt have a heaven or a hell, and I see it not as a religion but more of a culture, of which I am not a member.
The religion of the Hebrew savages gave birth to it's bastard children, Islam and Christianity. The Old Testament is an example of writings that have done great harm to the human condition. It, along with the New Testament, will one day be relegated to the library shelves along with superstition, myth, legends, voodoo, witch doctors, tarot cards, occult, astrology, etc.

I dont agree with your outright belief that Terroists comitted the attacks on 9/11 in New York/Pentagon. To me there seems to be a growing community of people that are raising real questions as to the validity of the "official" explanation. I for one remain indecided.
Well, I'm sure that there are things about the "official" story that are lies, but I don't believe that the U.S. government planned and executed the attacks of 9/11. What I DO believe, though, is that it never should have happened. Common sense is not common when you have people running thing with twisted minds weakened by religion. We should have seen it coming, and maybe they did, but let it happen. I doubt that the details were known to the U.S. government.

As for your instistance of being secular, well I dont exactly agree on this either. The definition states it as being "Worldly rather than spiritual".
Read the explanation in the posting above, which is correct. I'd call myself a Materialist.

As to my reasoning, I'll say that organized religion has nothing to do with spirituality, as I'll define it as being as search into ones self. I think Our country would more than benefit in great ways if we each sought out answers to the questions within ourselves.
Seeking answers is fine - believing in superstition and other madness is not. To do this, you have to throw logic and reason out the window, and place your future and will in the hands of others.

I would also like to point out that to have "faith" requires the suspension of logic. And you specifically called out those that have "faith " in their government.
I meant that the United States should have taken action against Iran when the hostages were taken, and deposed the Khomeni. If theyâ??d puit back a Shah in power, the religious hatred wouldnâ??t have turned it into what it is today. By â??faithâ?� I was referring to merging religion and government in Iran.

To me, "faith" is exactly what you show when stateing as fact that terrorists comitted 9/11,as the "official" story, when so much evidence is there to question it.

I don't have "faith" that the terrorist committed 9/11 - it's just my opinion.
- I just have not seen any convincing evidence to the contrary that would suggest that they didnâ??t do it.

9/11 conspiracy debunking site:
http://us.geocities.com/debunking911/index.htm

[Marlboroman]

Secularism has two distinct meanings.

a)It asserts the freedom of religion, and freedom from religion, within a state that is neutral on matters of belief, and gives no state privileges or subsidies to religions.

b) It refers to a belief that human activities and decisions should be based on evidence and fact, and not superstitious beliefs, however devoutly held, and that policy should be free from religious domination. For example, a society deciding whether to promote condom use might consider the issues of disease prevention, family planning, and women's rights. A secularist would argue that such issues are relevant to public policy-making, whereas Biblical interpretation or church doctrine should not be considered and are irrelevant.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

As for who committed the 9/11 airliner bombings, what evidence is there that the 19 Muslim men were something other than organized terrorists carrying out a plan? Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but do any of them have any actual evidence to lend them credence?

Well free from religion yes, but not free from spirituality, which have nothing to do with each other.

As for the 19 terrorists and evidence to the contrary, view this up.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10169657809939

No fear mongering, just evidence that creates more questions than answers.

[graymatter]

What really happened at the last supper? Scripture describes Jesus offering bread and wine to his disciples as a symbolic gesture of unity and life.

However, comic books and film tell us about a different origin of power for Superman. Could the comic book and film versions of Superman's origins be wrong? Could it be that Superman was the missing disciple, the one who ate Jesus in order to attain the high protein required for super human abilities?

And, if Superman did eat Jesus, isn't it likely he could face criminal charges, Messiah tampering, to name but one?