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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    I have been meaning to post this on here for a bit, but SINCE I WAS ON A LITTLE VACATION I COULDN'T!

    Check out this picture of Guantanamo Bay aka Camp Delta (sounds fascist right there!). In the center of the picture, it has the Pentagon with an interesting Pentagram inside with 5 circles on each point which looks like occultic imagery. This is very interesting to me as I like to study the occult.
    I have heard though that this is just a seal of the Military Police, but correct me if I am wrong.

    Also in the picture besides the Pentagon on each side looks like the seal of the US Department of Defense. I can't make it out completely because the picture is so small. There is a fascist type eagle on the US Dept of Defense seal which looks like the Great Seal of Nazi Germany. Scary stuff.

    Plus it has the phony "HONOR BOUND TO DEFEND FREEDOM". Sorry, but no Muslim ever legislated my rights away!

    Also, why are these prisoners of war wearing those ridiculous outfits and have crap covering their face? Reminds me of the beginning of Nazi death camps! History does repeat!
    Great Spirit Reviewed by Great Spirit on . Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?) I have been meaning to post this on here for a bit, but SINCE I WAS ON A LITTLE VACATION I COULDN'T! Check out this picture of Guantanamo Bay aka Camp Delta (sounds fascist right there!). In the center of the picture, it has the Pentagon with an interesting Pentagram inside with 5 circles on each point which looks like occultic imagery. This is very interesting to me as I like to study the occult. I have heard though that this is just a seal of the Military Police, but correct me if I am Rating: 5

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    I have a solution. Put the prisoners in the top of a luxury building 90 stories high, for "humanitarian" reasons, and fly an unmanned plane smack into it. Then claim that it was Islamic terrorist leaders in foreign lands that did it for sympathy. We then issue a statement, "Well, you wanted better conditions, now look what they went and did. This is a terrible tragedy." :thumbsup:

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
    I have a good solution. Put the prisoners in the top of building 90 stories high, and fly an unmanned plane smack into it. Then claim that it was Islamic terrorist leaders in foreign lands that did it for sympathy. :thumbsup:
    Your solution sucks. How about we take all the warmongering ignorant Amerikans and put chains around their necks and make them sink into the Mariana Trench!? Doesn't sound good does it!

    Hey we have to stop a warmongering nation somehow! It's called population control of Amerika! I'm sure Hitler would have done a ludicrous act like that as an alternative to the ovens.

    Bush's America is the number 1 threat to world peace!

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    personal opinion:I honestly hope your interest in the occult is based on educational purposes only,which would be a good thing since there is no such thing as useless knowledge. Otherwise it would just be a waste of time which could have been used in more realistic ways (like continuing to develop as the person who is not afraid to speak his own mind you seem to be)

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    Sam Harris on the Reality of Islam
    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...reality_islam/

    Posted on Feb 7, 2006

    By Sam Harris

    In recent days, crowds of thousands have gathered throughout the Muslim worldâ??burning European embassies, issuing threats, and even taking hostagesâ??in protest over 12 cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that were first published in a Danish newspaper last September. The problem is not merely that the cartoons were mildly derogatory. The furor primarily erupted over the fact that the Prophet had been depicted at all. Many Muslims consider any physical rendering of Muhammad to be an act of idolatry. And idolatry is punishable by death. Criticism of Muhammad or his teachingâ??which was also implicit in the cartoonsâ??is considered blasphemy. As it turns out, blasphemy is also punishable by death. So pious Muslims have two reasons to â??not accept less than a severing of the heads of those responsible,â?ť as was recently elucidated by a preacher at the Al Omari mosque in Gaza.

    The religious hysteria has not been confined to the â??extremistsâ?ť of the Muslim world. Seventeen Arab governments issued a joint statement of protest, calling for the punishment of those responsible. Pakistanâ??s parliament unanimously condemned the drawings as a â??vicious, outrageous and provocative campaignâ?ť that has â??hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world.â?ť Turkeyâ??s prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, while still seeking his nationâ??s entry into the European Union, nevertheless declared that the cartoons were an attack upon the â??spiritual valuesâ?ť of Muslims everywhere. The leader of Lebanonâ??s governing Hezbollah faction observed that the whole episode could have been avoided if only the novelist Salman Rushdie had been properly slaughtered for writing â??The Satanic Verses.â?ť

    Let us take stock of the moral intuitions now on display in the House of Islam: On Aug. 17, 2005, an Iraqi insurgent helped collect the injured survivors of a car bombing, rushed them to a hospital and then detonated his own bomb, murdering those who were already mortally wounded as well as the doctors and nurses struggling to save their lives. Where were the cries of outrage from the Muslim world? Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated â??in defense of Islam.â?ť But draw a picture of the Prophet, and pious mobs convulse with pious rage. One could hardly ask for a better example of religious dogmatism and its pseudo-morality eclipsing basic, human goodness.

    It is time we recognizedâ??and obliged the Muslim world to recognizeâ??that â??Muslim extremismâ?ť is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. The demographic trends are ominous: Given current birthrates, France could be a majority Muslim country in 25 years, and that is if immigration were to stop tomorrow. Throughout Western Europe, Muslim immigrants show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmostâ??demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques. Political correctness and fears of racism have rendered many secular Europeans incapable of opposing the terrifying religious commitments of the extremists in their midst. In an effort to appease the lunatic furor arising in the Muslim world in response to the publication of the Danish cartoons, many Western leaders have offered apologies for exercising the very freedoms that are constitutive of civil society in the 21st century. The U.S. and British governments have chastised Denmark and the other countries that published the cartoons for privileging freedom of speech over religious sensitivity. It is not often that one sees the most powerful countries on Earth achieve new depths of weakness, moral exhaustion and geopolitical stupidity with a single gesture. This was appeasement at its most abject.

    The idea that Islam is a â??peaceful religion hijacked by extremistsâ?ť is a dangerous fantasyâ??and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is soâ??it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nationsâ?? Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the worldâ??s population and yet produce only 1% of the worldâ??s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.

    Our press should report on the terrifying state of discourse in the Arab press, exposing the degree to which it is a tissue of lies, conspiracy theories and exhortations to recapture the glories of the seventh century. All civilized nations must unite in condemnation of a theology that now threatens to destabilize much of the Earth. Muslim moderates, wherever they are, must be given every tool necessary to win a war of ideas with their coreligionists. Otherwise, we will have to win some very terrible wars in the future. It is time we realized that the endgame for civilization is not political correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.

    Sam Harris is the author of â??The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reasonâ?ť (W.W. Norton). He can be reached through his website at www.samharris.org.



    Sam Harris responds to comments and criticism

    Anyone familiar with my work knows that I am extremely critical of all religious faiths. I have argued elsewhere that the ascendancy of Christian conservatism in American politics should terrify and embarrass us. I have argued that the religious dogmatism of the Jewish settlers could well be the cause of World War III. And yet, there are gradations to the evil that is done in name of God, and these gradations must be honestly observed. So let us now acknowledge the obvious: there is a direct link between the doctrine of Islam and Muslim violence. Acknowledging this link remains especially taboo among political liberals. While liberals are leery of religious fundamentalism in general, they consistently imagine that all religions at their core teach the same thing and teach it equally well. This is one of the many delusions borne of political correctness. Rather than continue to squander precious time, energy, and good will by denying the role that Islam now plays in perpetuating Muslim violence, we should urge Muslim communities, East and West, to reform the ideology of their religion. This will not be easy, as the Koran and hadith offer precious little basis for a Muslim Enlightenment, but it is necessary. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the worldâ??s Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world. It should be clear that I am not speaking about a race or an ethnicity here; I am speaking about the logical consequences of specific ideas.

    Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. If you doubt whether the comparison is valid, ask yourself where the Palestinian Christian suicide bombers are. Palestinian Christians also suffer the indignity of the Israeli occupation. This is practically a science experiment: take the same people, speaking the same language, put them in the same horrendous circumstance, but give them slightly different religious beliefs--and then watch what happens. What happens is, they behave differently.

    While the other major world religions have been fertile sources of intolerance, it is clear that the doctrine of Islam poses unique problems for the emergence of a global civilization. The world, from the point of view of Islam, is divided into the â??House of Islamâ?ť and the â??House of War,â?ť and this latter designation should indicate how Muslims believe their differences with those who do not share their faith will be ultimately resolved. While there are undoubtedly some moderate Muslims who have decided to overlook the irrescindable militancy of their religion, Islam is undeniably a religion of conquest. The only future devout Muslims can envisageâ??as Muslimsâ??is one in which all infidels have been converted to Islam, politically subjugated, or killed. The tenets of Islam simply do not admit of anything but a temporary sharing of power with the â??enemies of God.â?ť Devout Muslims can have no doubt about the reality of Paradise or about the efficacy of martyrdom as a means of getting there. Nor can they question the wisdom and reasonableness of killing people for what amount to theological grievances. In Islam, it is the moderate who is left to split hairs, because the basic thrust of the doctrine is undeniable: convert, subjugate, or kill unbelievers; kill apostates; and conquer the world.

    It should be of particular concern to us that the beliefs of devout Muslims pose a special problem for nuclear deterrence. There is, after all, little possibility of our having a cold war with an Islamist regime armed with long-range nuclear weapons. A cold war requires that the parties be mutually deterred by the threat of death. Notions of martyrdom and jihad run roughshod over the logic that allowed the United States and the Soviet Union to pass half a century perched, more or less stably, on the brink of Armageddon. We must come to terms with the possibility that men who are every bit as zealous to die as the September 11th hijackers may one day get their hands on nuclear weaponry. As Martin Rees, Britainâ??s Royal astronomer, has pointed out, there is no reason to expect that we will be any more successful at stopping nuclear proliferation, in small quantities, than we have been with respect to illegal drugs. If this is true, weapons of mass destruction will eventually be available to anyone who wants them. It seems a truism to say that there is no possible future in which aspiring martyrs will make good


    This fragment (below) of the Koran (Sura 33, Verse 73-74) translates in part as â??...That God may chastise the hypocrites, men and women alike, and the idolaters, men and women alike...â?ť (A.J. Arberry translation). Idolatry is at the center of the Muslim outrage over the satirical Muhammad cartoons.

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    I don't know why you go through the trouble of copying and pasting all that. I don't even read it.

    You need to look past the literal interpretations of religion. Read their holy books with the Spirit! The Sufis are a mystical order of Muslims that do not practice "jihad" or holy war against "infidels".

    I have taken the liberty of updating your picture too!

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Great Spirit
    I don't know why you go through the trouble of copying and pasting all that. I don't even read it.

    You need to look past the literal interpretations of religion. Read their holy books with the Spirit! The Sufis are a mystical order of Muslims that do not practice "jihad" or holy war against "infidels".

    I have taken the liberty of updating your picture too!
    Listen, they are insane. When I was a young person, and far less knowledgeable of the world, I read all kinds of crap from Sufis, yogis, mystics, swamis, moslems, jews, christians, hare krishnas, various "spiritualists", and other assorted nut jobs. It's a waste of time. In your case, it's worse than that - because you're obviously influenced by this garbage. Buddhism is about the only one I found that has a halfway decent basis to it, and that's stretching it some.

    Religion is a fraud, and there's nothing to their claims of "special knowledge". It just does not exist, and never will. You can deny this, but it will hit you someday.

    When you reach forty or so, youâ??ll be completely different. There is no way that youâ??ll still believe that Islam is â??beautifulâ?ť - that is, unless you commit jihad first.

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    Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. If you doubt whether the comparison is valid, ask yourself where the Palestinian Christian suicide bombers are. Palestinian Christians also suffer the indignity of the Israeli occupation. This is practically a science experiment: take the same people, speaking the same language, put them in the same horrendous circumstance, but give them slightly different religious beliefs--and then watch what happens. What happens is, they behave differently.
    (I take it that you support the previous argument so I'm going to answer it as if it were yours)

    Since you claim religion and the study of the Koran is everything Muslims' lives evolve around and that religion is about hatred, how come the globe isn't at a constant war with them during the past 15 centuries and in fact the first and last expansive "islamic holy war" ended with the conquering of spain more than 6-7 centuries ago?

    Why had the cry for jihad not been heard until the late 1940's when the israeli military takeover of Palestine took place?Why did they not amass a huge army from every muslim state back then and move to strike back at the infidels?

    Until the 90's why did every single muslim country have peaceful relationships with the west, including even the most authoritarian states like Saudi Arabia?

    Last but not least why even in dictatorships like Saddam Hussein's Iraq were religious discriminations obsolete, allowing even a christian like Hussein's minister of foreign affairs Tarik Aziz assume government positions?

    Wars and hostile situations are caused by people! And people in the scale of nations don't just wake up one day picking up their holy book and go "hey...this here says "kill". Never noticed it before..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by antikoala
    (I take it that you support the previous argument so I'm going to answer it as if it were yours)

    Since you claim religion and the study of the Koran is everything Muslims' lives evolve around and that religion is about hatred, how come the globe isn't at a constant war with them during the past 15 centuries and in fact the first and last expansive "islamic holy war" ended with the conquering of spain more than 6-7 centuries ago?

    Probably because they have been inundated with religion and ignorance. It's now that they are getting the technology to carry out their "destiny". Their societies have always been extremely unjust, and the religion and customs dictate this.

    Why had the cry for jihad not been heard until the late 1940's when the Israeli military takeover of Palestine took place?Why did they not amass a huge army from every Muslim state back then and move to strike back at the infidels?

    That's true - Israel should not be there. It was a bad move, I'll grant them that. We shouldn't send aid to Israel. It's the birthplace of the Christians' mythical savior god, so that's a big part of it, too.

    Until the 90's why did every single Muslim country have peaceful relationships with the west, including even the most authoritarian states like Saudi Arabia?

    Because the religious nuts took over in certain places and began preaching hatred, such as in Iran in the late 1970's. Then, the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, and we supported the radical religionists that opposed them.

    Last but not least why even in dictatorships like Saddam Hussein's Iraq were religious discriminations obsolete, allowing even a christian like Hussein's minister of foreign affairs Tarik Aziz assume government positions?

    Iraq is different - I wouldn't have gone there, because a secular dictatorship is better than a religious one. We should have learned that after the Shaw of Iran was deposed.

    Wars and hostile situations are caused by people! And people in the scale of nations don't just wake up one day picking up their holy book and go "hey...this here says "kill". Never noticed it before..."
    That's true, but the seed is there - and mistakes were made that helped them grow. It's time to do some pruning. I'd start with pulling out, and not buying oil from them - which is exactly what bin laden and his type want. If the Middle East (and other Moslem countries elsewhere) wants to have our business, they'll have to shape up - or become a third world entity.

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    Is this Occultic Imagery at Guantanamo Bay (aka Camp Delta?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
    Listen, they are insane. When I was a young person, and far less knowledgeable of the world, I read all kinds of crap from Sufis, yogis, mystics, swamis, moslems, jews, christians, hare krishnas, various "spiritualists", and other assorted nut jobs. It's a waste of time. In your case, it's worse than that - because you're obviously influenced by this garbage. Buddhism is about the only one I found that has a halfway decent basis to it, and that's stretching it some.

    Religion is a fraud, and there's nothing to their claims of "special knowledge". It just does not exist, and never will. You can deny this, but it will hit you someday.

    When you reach forty or so, youâ??ll be completely different. There is no way that youâ??ll still believe that Islam is â??beautifulâ?ť - that is, unless you commit jihad first.
    Remember how Hitler said that communists and Jews were behind the problems of Germany? Now Bush says that the "evil freedom hating Muslims" want to kill us. A lot of parallels here. Also, we have fundemental Christian preachers saying that the Anti-Christ will be a Muslim and all of this garbage and that Islam is one of Satan's handiworks.

    The Bible has its fair share of violence and hatred in it, yet I do not see Bush or the media condemning that!!

    As I have said before, you need to read these books with spiritual eyes and not literal ones as Jesus did.

    Religion is like a door that only gives us a hint to the divine. It is the outward form of worship, as spirituality is the inward form of worship, as it accepts all religions as legitimate explainations of the Divine. No one religion is greater than another, but its what brings you closest to the Divine.

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