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10-04-2004, 12:29 PM #23
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Debate time for me, LT, and anyone else compotent. Stemcell research and abortion
"Viable life does not begin until around the 3rd trimester."
What is it that makes a life viable?
"Every female on BCP is committing abortion. Birth Control Pills prevent implantation of a fertilized egg (ie, a bit of a problem for those life begins at fert)".
Yes, they are self aborting a child if they use the morning after pill. If left alone a child would grow. If it is not aborting a life, what is it like clipping a toe nail or something?
"Going to stop morning after pills too?"
Maybe even rubbers too! Actualy, I think the morning after pill is the best way to go if your going to abort a child.
"Deformed or chromosomal abhorations are to be kept also?"
Yes Hitler, ever retards. No really though, if it can be proven that the child is going to be severly deformed or retarted, then the best thing to do may be to end the life before it has a chance to suffer.
"Will the government that forces their birth also pay for their survival."
No, the Tax payers would. Just like they do now. Say, why not just kill all the people the government has to pay for. Shit yeah, that would do away with welfare once and for all. Killing people because the government might have to pay to help them survive is not exactly something I wish to get started doing. It seems rather owellian to me. It reminds me of something Lenin might do, or hitler to for that matter.
"Borderline survivals of premature chromosomally healthy children run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars just for their immediate survival. Who will take all the unwanted children, there are already hundreds of thousands."
Who decides if the child is to deformed to live? Would you have the government force these abortions? If the government was going to have to pay, do you think it should be able to kill the life if it wants to, or do you think that should be left up to mom and dad?
"Viable life does not begin until around the 3rd trimester. "
Says you. I say different. I say without the fert of the egg, you would have no life. It is undeniable that life starts at the fert of the egg. There is no life before that happens, there is no life without that happing. To me, that means life begins there. I guess to you the begining of a horse race is a couple yards after they start running. For me the race begins when they jump out of the gate.
"So apparently these slave women forced into conscription by UnCosntitutional laws to carry a parasitic fetus, have no control over their lives or bodies?"
No one forced them to get fucked. Well, unless it was rape, but that falls under special conditions. Could you please tell me how come these girls figure is more importent then the lives of a child? Parasite??? Your kidding right? Do you have any children? Do you consider yourself a parasite?
Our government is in place to secure and keep secure our Freedoms and rights. It doesn't do that anymore, but that is the intent of it. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are unalienable rights. Life is to be protected as strictly as liberty. As you can see, both are under constent attack. What constitutional right does a women have to kill a child?
"Who will be financially responsible for those that die or become vegetables, due to this conscription?"
Money is not more importent then life. If you think it is, then you have a serious problem. You seem like maybe your the type that would let a pet die if it was going to cost you to have it cured. Are you that kind of person? Your trying to make this out to be about anything but healthy babies. I think you know good and well that most aborted children are perfectly healthy children. I guess you think that a person aborting a life because they just don't feel like having a child, or they don't want to get fat, or some other vain reason is a constitutional right also? Well I don't think it is. If the constitution protects anyone, it is the unborn childs right to life that it protects.
"Denying Constitutional Rights always produces more harm than benefit."
I won't argue with you on that. I will argue that your denying the childs right to life by killing it. I'm thinking a persons whole life is a little more importent then a few months of being prego. No one forced them to get fucked, remeber that? You are forcing the child to die though, and that is wrong.
Have you ever had an abortion? My sister had a few, and I can tell ya that it trumatized her every time. I couldn't let that happen to someone that was a part of me, and I now have 4 kids that do nothing but make my life worth living. You can tell yourself that it's ok to do it, and that it is not a life, but I think deep down inside you know that it is a life.
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