Terror Storm

[Marlboroman]

[QUOTE=graymatter] The government behaves the way WE elect them to?

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You have answered your own question and have shown your own doubt in the system.

I do agree with Birdgirl on the point of the sinister music and flash type bring on the feel of impending doom. And it has a negetive impact on AJ's overall message, like the very propaganda he protests he is useing fear to get results.

Allot of people dont recognize the importance of sound on a given situation. You can take the Rodney King beating, set it to mozart and it suddenly wont seem as bad as it really was.

On the other hand however, I think it irresposible to overlook the questions posed in the video, simply because you dont like the music.

Dont overlook the admitted attacks that goverments have perpetrated for their own benefit, Gulf of Tonkin, Northwoods.

Our goverment does act as we have elected them to, why do you think we only have 2 choices for commander and chief ? Doesnt really matter which we elect, both sides seem to have the same agenda, to further divide the American people.

We are being led, we are not being given enough, truthful information, and I for one dont like the path. A consipacy is only a theory if you dont have evidence that supports the theory, calling something a conspiracy theory when so much evidence is present to support it, to me seems illogical.

I dont think it a theory at all to say that we have been lied to, and scared into giveing up our freedoms.

My opinion is that that most fall into a state of denial following the path of the victim. That is to say that in ones mind it is easier to except a false truth rather than face the pain of being made a victim. On a smaller scale you can see this cycle in battered wives.

"He made a mistake, he really loves me" she tells the police with a broken nose and a black eye.

" these copnsipacy theorists are crazy" we say to ourselves with our freedoms eroding, and our troops in a foreign land fighting based on a known lie.

The way AJ comes across is extreme yes, but that shouldnt erode the overall message. Look thru your own fear, and actually consider the information.

[graymatter]

Hey, Marlborro, I think our government is what WE make of it. Even if they tried to plot 9/11 they'd of fucked it up.

But I'd be curious how many people that subscribe to this stuff actually vote, write, call, badger, cajole or visit their elected representatives?

[birdgirl73]

My guess is that very few of them do. If they did, they'd be more invested in--and feel more responsible for--the government. Instead, with complete disconnection, the government becomes the conspiratorial, sinister, predatory "they" the conspiricists all want us to be so afraid of.

[Marlboroman]

I agree APATHY is the true killer of democracy.

However both of you have, again, sidestepped the the topic of conversation and again, ignored the questions raised in the original post, via the AJ video.

An example of the questions:

Are the so called "facts" stated in the video actually facts?

If they are, then that leads to even more questions.

In my opinion the video in question is one mans answer to to one question given that the "facts" are true.

Whats it all leading upto?

AJ says its global tyrrany, I say I have no idea altho its clear there is a goal.

What do you say it is?

[graymatter]

Whats it all leading upto?

AJ says its global tyrrany, I say I have no idea altho its clear there is a goal.

What do you say it is?

I don't know, either, Marlborro, but perhaps it means,

A) God and Satan battle it out on PPV but Charles Manson wins
B) Global Powerball yields bigger jackpots
C) In a cost savings measure IBM outsources their helpdesk to Mars
D) Cheaper tariffs on French wine... who can afford it now?

Sorry, got a little carried away....

[pisshead]

Video showing False Flag events throughout history :thumbsup: By Alex Jones

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...-+Terror+Storm

so i've watched about 30 minutes of it because i can't watch the rest right now, it was nothing i didn't already know...but all it did so far was go over the history of governments using staged terrorism and using deliberate propaganda through their media to portray something different to get the population to go along with war abroad and tyranny at home.

hitler, the cia coup in iran/operation ajax, operation gladio, the gulf of tonkin, cuban flight 455, the uss liberty (one of the most egregious in my opinion, next to 9/11), the madrid 3/11 bombing, the london 7/7 bombing (the bus that the police had control of that was rerouted to where there are no stops for it, to tavistock square, the patsy "terrorists" and everything else to do with that that's too numerous to mention, that lady who says we should give up our liberty for freedom...wow. what can i say about that. talk about doublethink.)...

history's full of it and it continues to go on and none of it is a secret anymore. it's just easier for some to ignore.

[birdgirl73]

I'm curious what the conspiracist "call to action" is.

That is, assuming you can get enough people to buy into the idea that our governments have staged terroristic acts in order to achieve global tyranny, what do you expect everyone to do? How do you expect us to change our behavior or somehow change these so-called circumstances? What's your goal in disseminating this information you believe so stongly in?

If you believe those of us who are skeptical of conspiracies are ignoring vitally important facts, what do you think will become of us that'll somehow be different from what'll happen to those of you who've seen conspiracies around every corner? When tyranny finally reigns supreme, will we who've been blithely "burying our heads in the sand" be more vulnerable than you?

Also, do you also see conspiracies in other areas of life? In your spouses and children? Your bosses at work? Your physicians and accountants? The guy at the Taco Bell drive-through? I'm curious about that, too.

[Marlboroman]

I don't know, either, Marlborro, but perhaps it means,

A) God and Satan battle it out on PPV but Charles Manson wins
B) Global Powerball yields bigger jackpots
C) In a cost savings measure IBM outsources their helpdesk to Mars
D) Cheaper tariffs on French wine... who can afford it now?

Sorry, got a little carried away....

I can only guess what your trying to say is that what im talking about makes no sense to you, so your saying things that make no sense to me.

But what I clearly see is that you seem to be unable to view the occurrences with an open mind, and without a doubt unable to discuss them in a mautre manner.

[pisshead]

I don't think Mr. Jones was radical or went too far at all, is he supposed to sugar coat the truth? I challenge anyone hear to prove anything in that documentary wrong. It's just all conspiracy theories that our government has staged admitted, actual admitted terror attacks, tons of them, in the last 60 years. Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, etc... etc.. I would include 9/11 but that's not admitted.

what i saw so far was hardly radical...talking about history...yeah, that's really out there.

how are you supposed to sugar coat our country turning into a pan american union dictatorship through a series of staged terrorist attacks?

[birdgirl73]

Present us with something--video, text, whatever--Marlboroman, that presents these so-called facts in an open-minded, unbiased fashion, and you'll have a better chance of getting a more serious examination of those facts from us skeptics. My impression is that no such unbiased single source for these "facts" exists.

I find Gray's penchant for answering absurdity with more ludicrous absurdities rather charming. Conspiracist gravity unfailingly meets his humorous depravity.