ugu, Thanks for your reply, The reality of the mater is I dont have time to play around with coning and finding out which pheneo will work out. I was hoping that i could buy some good genedic and grow some good smoke for myself. to be honest ive always used bag seeds in the past and the plants grow and i got decent smoke. Spend a few bucks on good seeds and things get complicated,lol. Can you reccommend a good stable strain for the future?I just want some killer weed to smoke ,the plants dont have to be big producers.they only need to be grown outside Thanks again Buzz