Accidentally recognized my plane, what do I do now?

[harmonicminor]

I found that roaming about this plane as soul opened my eyes to the countless questions regarding time/space/matter that I couldnt quite articulate before. It gave me a solid ground from which to challenge my percertions of physical reality.
I do have some difficulty though in rising this way. The vibrations are much more intense than from a sleep state and sometimes are so intense that I am uncomfortable enough to lose focus.

I almost exclusively begin from a sleep or deep meditative state because for me it provides easier access to other 'planes' than the physical we are accustomed to in waking life. This is where I journey most.




peace.

yes the vibrations when your body falls asleep are very wierd feeling. It is like when your leg falls asleep but over your whole body. One trick I have found to overcome believe it or not is relaxing more when this happens. It temporarily makes the vibrations even more intense though but once you get past a certain point you will find that you are now out of your body and you were aware of the whole proccess and therefore you are more more alert and in controll.
and Binzhoubum,
sure bro it just could be a load of shit to you because that is your reality and belief that you cannot do it therefore you never will. Maybe someday you will have a near death experience and it will therefore be forced upon you whether you believe in it or not.
also I wouldnt consider my methods "meditation"
totally different things man

[TMBGoofball]

it just could be a load of shit to you because that is your reality and belief that you cannot do it therefore you never will.

It's also possible that the "astral plane" is fabricated by people's minds, but again, since it's part of your reality and beliefs, you'll never accept that.

I can't claim to know one way or the other; just pointing out the necessary counterpart to what you said about beliefs.

[FunkyMonkey]

Harmonicminor: I usually end up relaxing into a sleep state before the vibrational change has completed. But man, what an intense feeling.
There is nothing that compares to it in my experience.
I found that I could handle the vibration longer if I did some energy work on my head prior to the experience.
I form a ball of energy in my hands and use it to 'cleanse' my mind and relax the conscious part. I open myself to the energies to flow freely. It helps.


A couple of you have made statements doubting the reality of astral projection and OBE.
When i was first learning how to control the experiences that I have always had I admit that I had some thoughts that it was all within my mind.
I have always had shared experiences with family but the human mind sometimes needs repeated proof to believe what the soul already knows.
The mind easily forgets that it was already convinced. Strange how that works.

Anyhow, a friend and I decided to try an experiment. He would project from his home while I would project from mine. We expected it may take some practice and decided to each keep a journal.
We would each write our experiences in as much detail as possible and share it at the end of the week.
Well after the first night I had pages filled with intricate detail of my experiences, both with him and without him.
Apparently so did he , so we agreed to meet right away.
He walked into my home and we exchanged journals and I was abso-fucking-lutely blown away!
Our experiences were exactly alike. We each had our own feelings and perceptions but the structure and details were all the same.
We did this for quite some time. Each time we returned to the same place and explored. We would meet at what I have come to believe is a meeting place for travellers like us. We each met some people there and shared conversations. We would go our own ways and meet up again and share details of where we had been. We wrote our experiences down in extensive detail and were amazed when each time the details matched.
I met some people there that I came to meet later in waking life. ( my wife and her exhusband included )
I have since done this with other friends but those initial experiences stick with me still today. Like I said I met my wife this way. It is strange even to me but we fell in love a year before we met physically.
Hehe wrap your skepticism around that one!

Anyway, my point is that I was once where you are now. I doubted. At one point I even 'knew' it was impossible to project yourself beyond your body but my experiences have taught me otherwise.
I am a different man today because I had the faith to at least try to learn.
Through that I opened a door that changed my life forever.
My perceptions of everything are different now. It was like the world changed and I changed with it overnight.

So, please jsut listen to what we have to say without closing your minds completely. You might learn something that opens doors for you. In the very least you can learn what other people believe and we can learn what your beliefs are. Nothing negative in that.

But I do ask that you kindly keep some respect in your statements.
This isnt disneyland to me, it is my belief system. It is my reality.
It is sacred to me.
Ask us questions to further your understanding.
Dont just tell us its bullshit and we are crazy because you will miss an opportunity to expand your awareness and learn a little. So will we.


peace.

[harmonicminor]

very true funky :-)
next time you do that method just try it my way and you will see. let yourself relax and just sink into your bed more and more and more.

binz....
heres what to me validates it completely.....
being aware the whole time my body falls asleep and finding myself out of my body. while out I have full controll and I do indeed know my body is sleeping. when I do this I can go and put my hands through solid objects and feel the vibrations of it. I can fly through the air at will and even completely change my surroundings. I can visit the akashic records or travel through time.
but tell me this.......
how do you know your whole reality isnt just bullshit and fake.......
it could be completely constructed of thought itself

goofball.....
my sentence that you quoted, what I mean by that is....
in most cases you have to believe completely before you are able to do it.
and you also must be able to mentally handle it
in the other cases that it happens to people who dont even know what astral travel is it will happen through a near death experience most of the time. other times it has been known to happen out of the blue to people that didnt know what was going on at all but just found themselves floating above thier sleeping bodies.

[PureEvil760]

Just make sure your are indeed projecting before you jump out the window.

[FunkyMonkey]

Just make sure your are indeed projecting before you jump out the window.

hehe That gave me a good chuckle pureevil.

Harmonicminor ( and anyone else following )
Well, last night I tried that technique and found myself repeating results I usually get. Once the vibrations hit my head it was very intense and gave me a little startle. Just enough to reduce the vibrations a bit.
Something about trying to remain awake despite my natural tendancy to drift to a different level of consciousness keeps me from total relaxation.
I feel as though I am fighting myself on some level.
I suspect that in trying to resist the change of consciousness I am requiring more energies to adjust the vibrational frequency and that is why it feels so intense.
I have a lot of programs and processes running in the background that distract me lately. Not puttin that computer on stand-by prior to the shift is a challenge.
Ill keep at it. I dont expect immediate success when trying something a bit different.


peace.

[harmonicminor]

a little bit of sugar will help you achieve the brainwaves needed Funky. I know exactly what you mean though. The hardest part is not drifting off in REM state during this. Or hypnogogic imagery state.
and yes it is a fight on a certain level also.......
you have to overcome this by always telling yourself that you CAN do it. sometimes you may get the sensation that you cant move also right when you pop out of your body.
a daily ritual of self hypnosis telling yourself that you can do it will program your subconcious and help you.

[dopesmoker]

this astral projection stuff sounds abit like lucid dreaming.

[RedRainDrop]

I've been controlling my dreams ever since i remember, im very confortable in the dream world, and realize im dreaming almost ALWAYS...

I have some awesome adventures, in my mind.... i also love getting stoned, then going to dream world.... much more fun!

[ate]

I hate the vibration feelings...it's too wierd, it makes me feel like my body is rotating very very quickly.