JESUS IS THE WAY ,THE TRUTH, THE LIFE

[beachguy in thongs]

But, Jesus, myth or no myth, is "the way, the truth, the life". If the Earth was full of Jesus', there would be perfect peace.

[PureEvil760]

He reminds me of the blind priest in Little Nicky.

[Solistus]

Actually, Jesus wasn't always so peaceful.

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a manâ??s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

[mrdevious]

I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.

[braddog10]

Religion is historically known to be a form of suppression of the poor people by the church. In the older days the roman catholic church had influence throughout the world. In modern times it is an internationally organised franchise business. God is not free anymore, gentlemen.

And yes I do feel sorry for the poor 40% of the world who are NOT christian. Too bad they gotta burn in hell for all eternity just cause their God uses a different name....

MHO - God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.

Willy, In alot of ways you are not that far off.(in my view) suppression of the poor happened..............influence thru world............organised franchise bus, which you phrased well. I call it "Christian Industry" What you are observing is "Mans" organised religion.....Big, Big difference between that and what many enjoy as a simple walk w/ God

Look at things today, Sure there are Christians that are very visible especially In politics, typically where things get more inflamed. Maybe some of the them have a healthy walk with God, others may prefer the ideology. Regardless there are many caring, people that bear His name that would not want ill on anyone, to force theirs laws etc..

Things haven't changed, in some ways as Willy mentioned, however the degrees of which has greatly. But, religion is just that, and only accessible from the surface, and goes no deeper. Relationship With God is a different level altogether.

In a religious setting, Willy - you are truly remarkable, God is not Free........... Man always charges a fee.

As the way the truth and the Life. ...............He says come to me all that are dragged down, exhausted, and carrying heavy loads, I will give you rest.

Lets look at the oposite extreme, Christian Martars
There are a hugh number of christians martars, even within our own life time.
Foxes, book of martars shocked me with mny facts, the total number of martars prior to the last couple hundred of years, is very small in comparison, If we were to observe what most christians in other contries have to fear and put up with, and have suffered. Public sympathys are totally different. The church in China, didn't grow until the Gov. threw out the missionarys and pursecuted the Church , Look at India, Korea, Islamic controled contries.

I don't hate moslems, It was a Nth Africa missions Missionaried that married my wife and I, before, Greg Livingston left to form Frontiers, in California, in the early 80's. To listen to these guys explain the persecution, of their missionarys, The transporting of some - out of their captivity(by God), Others looseing Family members being shot repeatedly with arrows. One man on the coast of India, was captured and tied to a tree. The men left to find the village skinner. Where they would then afterwards - throw the man in to the sea,...........hard to imagine.

Aboy came along, and untied the man. He was freed. The healthy tree he had been tied to, died and blew over within a week. That man now after suffering much, losing fingers, constant fear, is regarded a Holy Man, and know enjoys freedom to do what he loves. Being a missionary to his own people.

I learned this from Brandon Darnell, when he was still station mgr. at KVTT in Dallas, This was one individual of many he met while in India, w/ K.P. Yohannan founder of Gospell for Asia. I've seen alot.

God loves the Hindus,and Moslems, etc. and desires that we all come to Him. Thru His son. I didn't set it up. But, I must accept.

[willystylle]

Great post braddog10! You actually reminded me about the other facet of religion - spirituality. Kudos to you, as I'm not easily swayed.

I admit that I am a bit forward in my posts regarding God and religion. I just so disgusted at the way we have turned it and used it for personal and financial gain.

I regard myself as my own personal God. I have the power to create life. I have the power to take it. But most importantly I make my own desicions and in everyone else's eyes (including the eyes of the law) I am responsible for my own actions. (That's fine, just don't lump anyone elses on me!)

So when people who make shit in their life (and continue to do so) go to church to 'get forgiven', just so they can screw people again from Monday, I tend to lose my faith... in humanity. I am an aetheist because I don't like the idea of hiding behind God. So I choose to believe there is no God. Who are you going to hide behind now???

If people could realize that they are the cause of their own misery then at least the world would be a better place... not perfect, but better.

[Garden Knowm]

if any of you are so sure about your stance... and have the courage to test your MIND based OPINIONS... I encourage you to stay still.. just stay still and watch your mind... stay still... react to nothing... stay still... can you do this... can you watch the mind.. stay still..

behind the mind is what you ARE
... behind your thoughts and actions.. is... LIFE...

go ahead.. try it... don't be discouraged when you can't do it and realize you are a robot on auto pilot... with practice and focusing your awareness on your breath you will get a glipse at YOU... and then you will never have to talk about religion again..

you won't REACT anymore... you can become YOU

jesus did it...

iloveyou

[braddog10]

Great post braddog10! You actually reminded me about the other facet of religion - spirituality. Kudos to you, as I'm not easily swayed.

I admit that I am a bit forward in my posts regarding God and religion. I just so disgusted at the way we have turned it and used it for personal and financial gain.

I regard myself as my own personal God. I have the power to create life. I have the power to take it. But most importantly I make my own desicions and in everyone else's eyes (including the eyes of the law) I am responsible for my own actions. (That's fine, just don't lump anyone elses on me!)

So when people who make shit in their life (and continue to do so) go to church to 'get forgiven', just so they can screw people again from Monday, I tend to lose my faith... in humanity. I am an aetheist because I don't like the idea of hiding behind God. So I choose to believe there is no God. Who are you going to hide behind now???

If people could realize that they are the cause of their own misery then at least the world would be a better place... not perfect, but better.

Willy, I find that I agree with you in many ways, Certainly, using God, for personal gain is just another cheap trick of manipulation.

(That's fine, just don't lump anyone Else's on me!) I think I know what you mean, are you referring to laws?

Hiding behind God.... are you sure you are no less hiding behind atheism? I'm not trying to get a rise here, I question the difference. As Biblical Christianity goes, We are actually more free to be who we are, and the heart change from God, would wish no Ill upon anyone else.

Hiding behind anything? Hiding was always exposed in "the Book". Jesus made many references re: hiding especially as it related to religious people that He was in constant conflict with (self covering, sheep in wolfs cloths, behind whitewashed tombs), sounds like you and Jesus have a lot in common, or at least have the same beef. Be careful, you are at risk of hypocrisy your self.
I must also exorcise care.

These 6 passages of Isaiah 58, answer most of your protests.
People were doing outwardly religious things, (Fasting in this case)

Of the same religious people, God said, 6"Is this not the fast which I choose,
To loosen the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the bands of the yoke,
And to let the oppressed go free
And break every yoke?
7"Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry
And bring the homeless poor into the house;
When you see the naked, to cover him;
And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
8"Then your light will break out like the dawn,
And your recovery will speedily spring forth;
And your righteousness will go before you;
The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
9"Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
You will cry, and He will say, 'Here I am '
If you remove the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness,
10And if you give yourself to the hungry
And satisfy the desire of the afflicted,
Then your light will rise in darkness
And your gloom will become like midday.
11"And the LORD will continually guide you,
And satisfy your desire in scorched places,
And give strength to your bones;
And you will be like a watered garden,
And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

This does not sound like a prick to me, he was pissed as you are ~ at the same ~

~ intolerance of others ~ clearly on either side, should be considered a Lt. shoe, and a Rt. shoe, of the same pair.


We must be very, very, careful.
Typically, when we accuse, we describe ourselves.

[braddog10]

I can't say whether or not that quote from Jesus is true, but it sounds mighty suspicious to me. There are a lot of fake "bible" quotes on the internet, and that one seems a little extreme in its wording compared to the other things he said.

Good to see you "D".
Jesus actually said some shocking things. Some I understand, to a point, Others - I don't very well at all.
Putting it back in the ch. it is located in clears up most questions clears up most questions
I would like to visit more. I should be off already.

Ever In Dallas I would hope you would email, Got a guest room, won't preach.

[Shelbay]

Sorry,I disagree. Although each religion has it's share of oppression,the Christian religion had MANY denominations. The main ones that were oppressive were NOT true christians,but CRUSADERS and Catholics of Roman Pagan origin. Remember the Council of Nicea and Constantine? TRUE christianity can be found here. www.christiansforcannabis.com So basically both Ganja man and xsw2 have a point. Hope this clears things up on both sides.

I remember the Council of Nicea..they voted on Jesus as the Son of God..and it was a close vote. Constantine was getting ready for battle against Maxentius but the night before the battle Constantine had his vision that changed not only his life but the history of Church also. He was praying to his pagan god when he saw with his own eyes the cross in the heavens and to use to safeguard him in battle against his enemies..Constantine won his battle against Maxentius fighting under his new banner-the image he saw in his "vision"..the cross. You seem to know the truth..oh and that God told him to make the likeness of the cross he had seen. Interesting post,haven't read where anyone on here has even mentioned the Council of Nicea.