I wasn't expecting Zandor (my favorite mod) to reply. As much as I'd like to be a maveric and stick it out at my babies expense, I'm electing to flush and re-pot the crop. They're now in regular potting soil with a pH of 6.9 , no manure. (BTW, it was thoroughly composted.) Same proportion of gravel again, too. 3 more nodes of 7,8 and 9 bladed fans since last post BTW, I still hope I haven't traumatized them into maleness, we will see when they start flowering if they do.