Quote Originally Posted by graymatter
I like the dialouge and tone here... one point, Facts seem pretty irrelevent when it comes to debating politics or religion. They don't typically jump up and slap me in the face and change or motivate me without me running them through my values filter... I suspect I'm not the only one this applies to.

Probably the best recent example of why facts are irrelevent... Look at the president of the sovereign nation of Iran, whos declares the Holocost never occured.
But the fact is it did happen..Irans idiot in charge opinion is that is didn't happen..fact is..that it did..you can't change his perception on things but the majority of the world know that the holocaust is a fact.