I'd say I've come across two or three people in my life who would qualify as Christians by your definition up there, Jamstigator. Two of these people were practicing Quakers, who do the best job I know of of modeling absolute pacifism. The third is a colleague of mine who is the most serene, secure-in-her-faith person I've ever known. She is completely motivated by kindness and peace in her interactions with others. And I think she qualifies, too.

I want to give this some more thought, but my initial reaction is that I'm not at all certain I agree that an act of self-defense against rape or murder would truly disqualify someone as a Christian.

I think it's important to keep in mind that Christians don't have to be perfect in order to be true Christians. Sure, there are plenty of talk-the-talking hypocrites who can't get anything right and don't even try.

People will never fail to be disappointed if they look to Christ's followers as the models for Christian behavior. The only real model is Christ himself. Thankfully, there's grace for the rest of us!
birdgirl73 Reviewed by birdgirl73 on . Bush calls for gay marriage ban Didn't he already try this shit before?? This is so unjust and unfair. This is one of the main reasons why I hate Bush! His intolerance and fakeness to please the Christian Right. What is Bush going to do next...ban owning Qur'ans? If you're gay, go get married in Canada. It seems Canada doesn't have its head up its ass like America does. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5044428.stm US President George W Bush has called for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriages. Mr Bush Rating: 5