Bush calls for gay marriage ban

[braddog10]

Hey, Braddog, I've encountered two types of religious people in my life, those who are spiritual and those consumed by dogma. The latter are controlling and intolerant. I've never had a problem with spiritual folks, they're easy to get along with (and fun to talk to when high); their world is beyond the matters of Caesar.

My point about where Christianity stands on slavery, segregation, and civil/gay rights is that it still stands in the dark ages. If we'd let Christianity (again, every sectarian voice) determine the question of slavery, they'd still be debating it. Fact is, it took some secular minds to move off the question and say "No, slavery isn't really a good thing for humanity."

My problem with God in government is that it is a God of committee, made up of the same minds that made the arbitrary and anal rules for the senior prom in high school... Peace!

Hey Gray,

Man, It is always a thrill to engage with you, Genuinely. I must differ with you concerning the secular leadership as it relates to civil rights. Many of the whites that marched with King, were wht men of the cloth, so to speak. I come also from a line of pastors from the Carolinas. Many blacks are name after one of my great great grandfathers Jeramiah Jones. A statue is erected there, on a mountain to honor this man for his righteous beliefs as it applies to his aid to the african american cause, He also suffered greatly from the righteous stand that he held. It was, I believe a very active voice of christians that gave the primary momentum for the very cause.

Abraham Lincoln, made many refences to the fact that they like us should enjoy the same inalienable rights. He knew, that he put himself at great risk for his righteous stand also.

A heart shaped and moved by God, will fall in line with His.

On this forum, I came in, as I realized ~ judgemental. My heart as I became more involved, (hopefully apparent), moved more in alignment with His. God can't steer a parked car. But when we move, adjustments of the wheel, should occur.

We certainly love our loved ones, adjustments of the wheel are just healthy, appologies should be alarge part of the coarse taken.

My personal prejudices, (judgements) involve primarily the ridicule of God that I found here. I have been in many ways in a fish bowl as Pink Floyd would say. It is stupid or at least unrealistic, for me to be suprised that, not everyone believes as I do,..... Sounds like I should shelve my own Narcissism,... so to speak. How I came on initially is counter to Him and certainly ~ Not..His..Heart ~ . The everday people loved Him. Flocked to Him by the thousands. He wasn't shocked by any thing he saw. He was criticized by the religious people of his day.....

Religious people.....My last post about this was hurried and fragmented.

Well, hideness is at the core. I said on another forum that I for a time stopped getting high largly due to wife, personal issues of hiddeness....etc... etc....What I failed to develope was the fact that the freedom that God wants us to live, accept, and enjoy, requires that we must get beyond shame dilussions (rooted in religion) and come out and ~ be where we are ~ In fact a councilor, when I was hung up over cigarettes, suggested that, hiding on my back porch so that my kids wouldn't see me,.... well,.... teaching my kids hiddenness, was worse than the fact that I was smoking.

What I have observed, teaching our kids to be open and unhidden is one of the best blessings that we can give and impart.

When I bought weed in "03". the circumstances of which are irrelevant. I hid nothing from my wife, kids (in their 20's), folks, my Dr., who was facinated by the way. My family now is more open and candid, with far less shame than even many unreligious. Also, by the way, ocassionally, my stash would seem to come up a little short. They can say comfortably, Mom Dad,.... Going to a party,.... there will be drinking,... probably will not be back tonight. Does ANYONE think I would ever give that up? I tell them.... thank you,... thank you....Have a good time and be careful. My daughter was able to address the fact that she had - had sex at 19. I regret, much of my own pushiness as a horney adolescent. Whatever, not the topic.

I know this is long, I tried to be less hurried. I'm still at work, may have to.. all freakin night.....I'm taking the rest of this and part of next week off.

I hope you all, along with myself, can learn more about this sickness of religion, which God Hates ~ Perfectly.... Oh By the way.. Christians don't have corner on the religious market, by the way. Many, as in Plenty, are just as hidden, tremendous need to be right, shamed.....on and on....

My opinions,, But look at what freedom really is, That God desires for us.
Openness, honesty, accepting, free of guilt, shame.

I will find the passages that are absolutely clear, about these points. Give me a few days.

Blessings.

[Bong30]

Why doesn't he just mind his own business bloody pervet wants to know what you do behind close doors to.why not just concentrate on serious important issues instead of the little issues that don't mean anything.:thumbsup:

That was funny.................LOL

"Little Issues".............you kill me.:stoned:

[OniEhtRedrum781]

It's not exactly moral to me, but I don't have anything against gay marriage; to each his own. Bush is an asshole either way.

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[braddog10]

Hey, Braddog, I've encountered two types of religious people in my life, those who are spiritual and those consumed by dogma. The latter are controlling and intolerant. I've never had a problem with spiritual folks, they're easy to get along with (and fun to talk to when high); their world is beyond the matters of Caesar.

My point about where Christianity stands on slavery, segregation, and civil/gay rights is that it still stands in the dark ages. If we'd let Christianity (again, every sectarian voice) determine the question of slavery, they'd still be debating it. Fact is, it took some secular minds to move off the question and say "No, slavery isn't really a good thing for humanity."

My problem with God in government is that it is a God of committee, made up of the same minds that made the arbitrary and anal rules for the senior prom in high school... Peace!

This God in government deal.... I notice the same beefs the one has is similar to the other, when their opposing party is in office..... If this makes sense. I actually don't see where God pushes his views on anyone. I don't agree with christian politicians, taking liberties that He didn't. Behaviors that are deemed moralities..........It bizarre to consider imposing such. Gays' want to marry?
Whats the big deal? I would suggest civil rather than Christian. If they want tax benefits such as the married? absolutely fine... What pisses me off... Is when they want to come into our schools and teach my kids, using language such as "lifestyle" and "alternative", when basically they are attempting to teach them something of which I strongly disagree. and this is already being done in some states. Text books have already been altered,.........like marriage partner,.It goes on and on... basically ~ De-Sexed.........castrated also comes to mind.

Should this piss us off any less than a religious pinhead trying to shove his S**t down the throat of society? Whats the difference?

I believe I share the view of many, from my genre.

[braddog10]

Hey Gray, Not directed at you.......How is it that you guys can say so much with few words when I draft pages and later note that I didn't addressed the quote?

[graymatter]

This God in government deal.... I notice the same beefs the one has is similar to the other, when their opposing party is in office..... If this makes sense. I actually don't see where God pushes his views on anyone. I don't agree with christian politicians, taking liberties that He didn't. Behaviors that are deemed moralities..........It bizarre to consider imposing such. Gays' want to marry?
Whats the big deal? I would suggest civil rather than Christian. If they want tax benefits such as the married? absolutely fine... What pisses me off... Is when they want to come into our schools and teach my kids, using language such as "lifestyle" and "alternative", when basically they are attempting to teach them something of which I strongly disagree. and this is already being done in some states. Text books have already been altered,.........like marriage partner,.It goes on and on... basically ~ De-Sexed.........castrated also comes to mind.

Should this piss us off any less than a religious pinhead trying to shove his S**t down the throat of society? Whats the difference?

I believe I share the view of many, from my genre.

Hey, Braddog, yes, fair enough point... We've been turning over "that" part of child rearing to the schools for a lot of social economic reasons (i.e., nobody seems to be home long enough to take care of it or tell the school board to stay out of it)... I'm not sure whether my parents cared about that part of the job as much as the schools didn't touch it back then, so they were stuck with it...

[wadejason]

i havent really heard anyone say that they know anyone gay or gay themselves. trying to come from someone that knows, ive been raised by lesbians so this is a touchy subject with me. i cant stand the uptight assholes that dont believe in gay marriage. first of all some states allow "civil union" which doesnt mean shit. my mom and her "gf" cant do their taxes together, and everything they do finacially they have to do seperate from one another because their "marriage" isnt legal.

my question is who the hell cares if two chicks get married. or hell if two guys get married! omg! get over it people. bush is an idiot and does what daddy tells him. i mean have you heard his speeches? everything is a joke and the monkey says um and uh every 4 words. this admendment attempt is just pissing people off. the fact of the matter is bush is finally losing support on his mission to kill camels so he decided he'd do something he promised in 2004 to the bible thumpers (the idiots that got him into office) that he'd defeat those evil gay people.

being raised by gay people ive learned to see how dumb people are. the prejustice i see is radical. people need to grow up and if you see two guys kissing in public, fucking look away if you dont like it! people dont like it when you stare at them anyways.

oh and what about god? first of all bush seems to think adding god to everything will help. and it wont so stop it. and two the bible says nothing to proclaim homosexuality is bad. just chill out and accept it.

[braddog10]

i havent really heard anyone say that they know anyone gay or gay themselves. trying to come from someone that knows, ive been raised by lesbians so this is a touchy subject with me. i cant stand the uptight assholes that dont believe in gay marriage. first of all some states allow "civil union" which doesnt mean shit. my mom and her "gf" cant do their taxes together, and everything they do finacially they have to do seperate from one another because their "marriage" isnt legal.

my question is who the hell cares if two chicks get married. or hell if two guys get married! omg! get over it people. bush is an idiot and does what daddy tells him. i mean have you heard his speeches? everything is a joke and the monkey says um and uh every 4 words. this admendment attempt is just pissing people off. the fact of the matter is bush is finally losing support on his mission to kill camels so he decided he'd do something he promised in 2004 to the bible thumpers (the idiots that got him into office) that he'd defeat those evil gay people.

being raised by gay people ive learned to see how dumb people are. the prejustice i see is radical. people need to grow up and if you see two guys kissing in public, fucking look away if you dont like it! people dont like it when you stare at them anyways.

oh and what about god? first of all bush seems to think adding god to everything will help. and it wont so stop it. and two the bible says nothing to proclaim homosexuality is bad. just chill out and accept it.

This is an awsome venue, Gray, WadeJason I do not know where else I could find such a vast cache of wealth. WadeJason, To hear from you would be rare. I have never met as you said someone with such differences as you and Gray. I do now understand what you mean by radical.

You can see this from an angle I can't.

Let us in on some of these things. I'd like to come back here tomarrow.
Goodnight Guys

[braddog10]

Secular religion encourages the ways and beliefs that were practiced in the days of Rome..there was no "official religion" of Rome..it was in a way about mutual toleration..except when it came to Christians..which was not tolerated because Christians gave allegiance only to Jesus. the Edict of Milan A.D.313 declared that Christian worship would be allowed for the first time...and what happened to Rome? It seems history does repeat itself. I need to look up the stance on this issue involving the scientologist.

Hi Shelbay Girl. I always smile when i see you.

[birdgirl73]

My longest-term best friend is a gay man. We have been friends and playmates since we were literally toddlers, and these days we work at the same company. So I tend to take discrimination against gays in general, and against him and his partner specifically, very personally because it's like someone discriminating against my brother.

I'm very much of the live-and-let-live philosophy. I think that gays and lesbians ought to be afforded exactly the same rights that we straight people have. If we can marry, then they ought to be able to do so, too. To me, it's that simple.

Talk to a loved one who's gay for 5 minutes, and you learn real quickly that they're not gay by choice. Who in the world would choose to be that way? And they can't choose not to be gay any more than any of us straight folks could suddenly choose to stop being heterosexual and switch to the other team. I'm convinced that homosexuality is established either in utero or within the first 18 - 24 months of life before anyone has any control over it. I wish more people could be persuaded of this so they'd stop declaring it as a "wrong" or "sinful" lifestyle choice. IMO, it's neither wrong. Nor sinful. Nor is it a choice.