Whoa, Canada actually has terrorists!

[Myth1184]

And this is to response that Muslims dont do any of this

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2037836

Group of Muslims dragged students off a bus and executed them...leaving the Sunni Muslims alive...

[eg420ne]

And this is to response that Muslims dont do any of this

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2037836

Group of Muslims dragged students off a bus and executed them...leaving the Sunni Muslims alive...

Well that is Iraq you are talking about, shit happens there everyday...The headline of your link---Gunmen Kill 21 Commuters Near Baghdad----- its an everyday thing ever since the Neo-Cons liberated Iraq

[BobBong]

"Three tonnes of ammonium nitrate was ordered by these individuals and delivered to them. It was their intent to use this for a terrorist attack."--You know thats alot of shit to be ordering I wonder who set them up err I MEAN who was the bright one that said "Lets order 3tons of ammonium nitrate and have em delivered to our house"..........:stoned:

Lets see your source on it then? I suppose you know something the Toronto Police don't?

get real, just because it sounds fake.. doesn't mean it IS fake... I could very well say the same thing about 9/11 but i don't.. because honestly, i really don't know..and neither do you..to say you do, is naive..

It's reported that they had 3 times the amount of the explosive material that was used in the Oaklahoma Bombing.. and it's been believed that was close to a 4,800 pound bomb...so you do the math...

... as for certain groups of "Muslims" killing people in Iraq... you ask any Practicing Muslims and they will flat out tell you that's NOT what true Muslim followers do.

[BobBong]

The problem people are having is understanding that these acts of terror are NOT the way of the Muslim faith.. it's groups of people taking the religion to a new extreme..just as the Christians did in The Crusades.. so why blame the Muslim Faith for something that not everyone in the Muslim Faith believes? Hence the whole term "extremists" ... This is what needs be changed.. this mentality of "Believe my god, or die"...

[Bong30]

My only problem with the high jacking of the religon is that why dont the (regular) non radical...musims RAT OUT the radical ones, giving them all a bad name.


i think the regular muslim is OK with it, or just affraid. (american soldiers are not affraid why are the muslims?)

Remeber Bob, We are Infidels.... to muslims...all muslims

1,000,000,000 muslims in world

10% are radical Wahabist.

100,000,000 want you dead Bob, i dont like them odds.

100 million people want me to convert or be dead..............nice religon

where is that happening in christiantiy today? not 500 years ago?

[eg420ne]

Lets make a correction here They took steps to Acquire the 3tons of Ammonium nitrate so it wasnt in there hand, but all im saying since our governments tends to lie- misinform its people, well what im sayin someone has to play devils advocate cause in these times of misinformation you cant be toooo sure, lets take a look at an example of this by a news release that Iran was forcing Jews, christians to wear badges this story came out from a canadian newspaper, and Harper harped all over it, So anything has to be viewed with discretion, not saying its false & what not, is that i dont trust the western media or its Intellligent services......

[pisshead]

yes, and they obviously weren't government approved, financed and protected terrorists like the 9/11 ones...

[BobBong]

A fear of guilt by association
MUSLIM REACTION | Few surprised by arrests, but leaders say more must be done to prevent involvement with extreme ideologies
Jun. 4, 2006. 01:00 AM
MADHAVI ACHARYA-TOM YEW
STAFF REPORTER

Members of the Muslim community expressed shock and sadness â?? but not surprise â?? at the arrest of 17 people from the GTA who have been charged with terror-related offences.

Though some leaders worry that Muslims may feel the sting of backlash, others say the community must do more to fight extremist views within its own mosques.

Investigators made a point of saying yesterday that the arrests are not an indictment of any particular faith or national group. Muslim leaders also said they hope Canadians will remember that those charged are innocent until proven guilty, and that those who hold to violent and extreme religious views are a tiny fraction of the approximately 750,000 Muslims who call this country home.

"This is not something new to me or something I did not expect," said community activist Sohail Raza. "It was just a matter of time where something like this would crop up in Canada."

Raza said that even prior to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the U.S., there was a surge of extremist Wahhabi ideology in mosques around the world, including a few in the GTA. Wahhabism is an extreme version of Islam that originated in the 18th century and is now the state-sanctioned sect of the faith in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden, believed to have masterminded the Sept. 11 attacks, is an adherent of this sect.

"There is more hatred spewed out than logic," Raza said.

The Canadian Islamic Congress has asked provincial and federal governments for funding to study how and why Muslim youth are drawn to these extreme ideologies, but has been turned away, the group's national president said.

"The problem has a social dimension and governments are spending all their money on law enforcement but not on diagnosing this problem and finding solutions, which is short-sighted," said Mohamed Elmasry.

"We want to send a message to the community, especially youth, that in a liberal democracy, you can have a dissenting voice and you can be part of the political process by voting, running for office, by seeking careers in law, law enforcement, media, professions that the community needs."

There was a documented increase in hate crimes against Muslims in Canada following the Sept. 11 attacks. Community members also say they suffered incidents of verbal abuse after the transit bombings in Spain and London, Elmasry said. "We're expecting the same after this news."

He added, "The accused are innocent until proven guilty. We hope the media will not find the community guilty by association."

It is time for the Muslim community to "stop acting as though it is not a big issue," said Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress.

"These people are taking the name of Islam, these are fascist cult believers and they need to be combated within the Muslim community.

"This is the challenge that we have. We can't just go on behaving as if everything is normal."

As for the potential for backlash, Fatah said he is not concerned.

"I think by and large Canadians are very sensible people and they know this is not an issue with Muslims. This is a cult within the Muslim community.

"I don't think there would be a backlash, but it can take just one idiot to do that."
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I agree that more needs to be done to shun this kind of behaviour and these groups of people that take the religion to a different level.. a voilent level.

We could go on about the Crusades.. but you know as well as I do that that period of history is blatantly ignored and forgotten by our society..when realistically.. it's the exact same thing that these Muslim extremists are doing today. 500 years ago a group of "extremists" from the Christian faith was doing the exact same thing...killing in the name of god.

I'm sure the true Muslim followers are terrified.. you have people from your OWN religion trying to kill you for simply excepting the rest of society. These people need not only our help... but our understanding that not everyone of that faith is that way..

[eg420ne]

yes, and they obviously weren't government approved, financed and protected terrorists like the 9/11 ones...

Sorta like General Mahmud Ahmed, the one who wired Atta $100,000 having a meeting with Porter Goss on the morning of 911...Atta received no special treatment nope none whats so ever...go back to sleep -conform-obey

[eg420ne]

WoW! So the RCMP was behind the sale & transport of the 3tons of ammonium nitrate no wonder they could get a hook up for that much, no farm depot or home depot would sale that much to arab looking dudes:thumbsup:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968793972154
RCMP behind bomb material
Massive sweep | Investigators controlled the sale and transport of three tonnes of ammonium nitrate in an undercover probe of an alleged homegrown terrorist cell
Police say they moved in quickly to avert attacks in southern Ontario
Jun. 4, 2006. 07:57 AM
MICHELLE SHEPHARD AND ISABEL TEOTONIO
STAFF REPORTERS

The delivery of three tonnes of ammonium nitrate to a group suspected of plotting terrorist attacks in southern Ontario was part of an undercover police sting operation, the Toronto Star has learned.

The RCMP said yesterday that after investigating the alleged homegrown terrorist cell for months, they had to move quickly Friday night to arrest 12 men and five youths before the group could launch a bomb attack on Canadian soil.

Sources say investigators who had learned of the group's alleged plan to build a bomb were controlling the sale and transport of the massive amount of fertilizer, a key component in creating explosives. Once the deal was done, the RCMP-led anti-terrorism task force moved in for the arrests.


At a news conference yesterday morning, the RCMP displayed a sample of ammonium nitrate and a crude cell phone detonator they say was seized in the massive police sweep when the 17 were taken into custody. However, they made no mention of the police force's involvement in the sale.

"It was their intent to use it for a terrorist attack," said RCMP assistant commissioner Mike McDonell. "If I can put this in context for you, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people was completed with only one tonne of ammonium nitrate."

Ammonium nitrate is a popular fertilizer, but when mixed with fuel oil it can create a powerful explosive.

Standing behind McDonell were the chiefs of police from Toronto and Durham, York and Peel regions, as well as officials with the Ontario Provincial Police and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service â?? representing about 400 people involved with the investigation of the group.

"This group posed a real and serious threat," said McDonell, speaking near a table with seized evidence such as a 9-mm Luger handgunI have two, military fatigueshave em even have matching slippers and two-way radiosbeing charged right now. "It had the capacity and intent to carry out these acts."

The suspects were allegedly planning to launch attacks in southern Ontario, but officials would not specify targets. Nor would they say if attacks were considered imminent.

However, they did say the TTC was not a target. Sources told the Star that the Toronto headquarters of Canada's spy agency on Front St., adjacent to the CN Tower, was on the group's alleged list.

The names of the 12 adult suspects now in custody were made public yesterday, but identities of the youths under the age of 18 cannot be released, according to Canadian laws protecting minors. Of the adults, six are from Mississauga; four from Toronto and two were already incarcerated in Kingston on gun smuggling charges.

The charges laid against the men included participating in or contributing to the activity of a terrorist group, including training and recruitment; providing or making available property for terrorist purposes; and the commission of indictable offences, including firearms and explosives offences for the benefit of or in association with a terrorist group.

Charged are Fahim Ahmad, 21; Jahmaal James, 23; Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19; and Steven Vikash Chand, 25, all of Toronto; Zakaria Amara, 20; Asad Ansari, 21; Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30; Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21; Saad Khalid, 19; and Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, all of Mississauga; and Mohammed Dirie, 22 and Yasin Abdi Mohamed, 24, who are incarcerated in Kingston.

As officials spoke with reporters, the suspects were being loaded into unmarked vehicles at the Ajax-Pickering police station, where they had spent the night. Wearing leg irons and handcuffs, they were taken to a Brampton courtroom in groups of between two and six to appear before a justice of the peace.

Anser Farooq, a lawyer who represents five of the accused, pointed at snipers on the roof of the courthouse and said: "This is ridiculous. They've got soldiers here with guns. This is going to completely change the atmosphere.

"I think (the police) cast their net far too wide," he said, adding his clients are considering suing law enforcement agencies.

The father of one accused, Mohammed Abdelhaleen, spoke outside the courthouse after his son's appearance, saying there is "no validation" to any of the charges against any of the suspects.

"I have no idea what this is," said the distraught father. "I'm sure it's going to come to nothing. We're playing a political game here. I hope the judicial system realizes this."

With quivering lips, the father said he was in "a very bad place right now. The damage is already done."

Around the same time, Karl Nickner of the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations issued a statement that he is confident "the justice system will accord these individuals transparency, due process and the presumption of innocence."

"We stand behind our security forces and the Canadian government in their desire to protect Canada," said the executive director. "As Canadian Muslims, we unequivocally condemn terrorism in all of its forms."

It's still unclear how the group of suspects is connected and police yesterday offered few details of its alleged activities. But sources close to the investigation told the Star that the investigation began in2004 when CSIS began monitoring fundamentalist Internet sites and their users.

They later began monitoring a group of young men, and the RCMP launched a criminal investigation. Police allege the group later picked targets and plotted attacks.

Last winter some members of the group, including the teenagers, went to a field north of the city, where they allegedly trained for an attack and made a video imitating warfare.

Sources said some of the younger members forged letters about a bogus school trip to give to their parents so they could attend.

Police said there were no known connections to Al Qaeda or international terrorist organizations, but that the group was homegrown, meaning the suspects were Canadian citizens, or long-time residents and had allegedly become radicalized here.

This type of extremism was blamed for the suicide attacks in London last July which claimed the lives of 52 commuters travelling on the subway and a double-decker bus.

"They appear to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by Al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance of CSIS, adding there is no direct link to the network.


John Thompson of the Mackenzie Institute said he has long warned officials about the possibility of homegrown terrorists and what he dubbed the "jihad generation."

"There's been a focus on (recruiting) younger Muslims, especially those who were mostly raised here," said Thompson, who is director of the Toronto-based think tank.

Recruiters, or "ideological conditioners," he said, have been actively seeking members in Toronto-area mosques, community centres and schools since 2002.

Officials have not linked the suspects to terror cells abroad, but Portelance was quick to point out the investigation is ongoing.

Sources say the cases of two men from Georgia, now in custody in the U.S. facing terrorism charges, are connected to alleged members of the Canadian group.

Yesterday, officials offered few details about the suspects or how they met, saying only they come from a "variety of backgrounds" and represented a broad strata, including students, the employed and unemployed.

"It is important to know that this operation in no way reflects negatively on any specific community or ethnocultural group in Canada," said Portelance. "Terrorism is a dangerous ideology, and a global phenomenon. ... Canada is not immune from this ideology."

When asked why Canadians would want to attack targets in Canada, Portelance said: "Clearly, they're motivated by some of the things we see around the world," he said.

"They're against the Western influences in Islamic countries and have an adherence to violence to reach a political objective. But as far as the specific motivators, I think they probably change from individual to individual."

Speaking in Ottawa at an enrolment ceremony for 225 new Canadian military recruits, Prime Minister Stephen Harper offered his views.

"As at other times in our history, we are a target because of who we are and how we live, our society, our diversity and our values â?? values such as freedom, democracy and the rule of law â?? the values that make Canada great, values that Canadians cherish."

With files from Jessica Leeder, Harold Levy and Tonda MacCharles