the widow gets tall to if you flower her over 12 inches she will grow more than 3 ft.big bud and widow would have to be lst to keep the hight down .i take it you haven't seen mobays big bud grow .search out the thread and have a look and you will see what size this strain can go to lol.but then again this was a mobay grow lol lol.i would go for lst on them both thats your best option. As for lip he generally gives out good info ,but to say no one understands what the knome means is simple inexperience at growing as all who know the knome knows exactly what he means.the thing is lip is he tries to give information not offer it and that gives the impressing he knows what he is talking about when some of the times he doesn't and that seems to annoy some peepo .lip if you haven't got the experience at growing then you should offer it in a hope this helps sort of way instead of telling it as fact because giving someone the wrong info can fuck up their grow and future grows if they take your info as fact when it is wrong so think about it mate and keep doing as you are doing as if offered in the correct way it can be great help to new growers. and PS dint fuck with the knome lol.the postman.