Former CIA Analyst Says Iran Strike Set For June Or July

[Marlboroman]

Hey, the brilliance of bringing back the draft would be to place a huge check and balance on the government... Do you really live in fear of what jail you'll go to if you oppose a war and refuse to serve? Going to jail for refusing to serve is as much a patriotic duty as people who decide to serve. The draft is a policy nightmare for despots like the GW Bush or anyone who wants carte blanche with our troops.

Do I live in fear of going to prison? No

Not only that but I dont fear the draft either, I served my 4 years starting back in '92. As far as i know im untouchable by the draft. However, I have thought many times about joining the Sea Bees, as I am a Union Pipefitter.

But if things get that bad, what prison you think they will put you in?

My guess is a federal pen, where you will then join the already in place federal prison work force makeing uniforms, boots, helmets, body armor, and other gear like canteens, for the armed forces.

So either way, go to war or work in a factory, but the way things are, with the GOV able to make a terrorist out of anyone protesting there policies, in the end you wont have a choice but to work for the war machine.

Granted that senario is way extreme, but, not impossible.

And if things do get that bad, then policy nightmare or not, I'm not sure we will be able to get the Bush family out of office. After all at that point anyone willing to fight them is already in a federal prison, or off shooting at other men in war.

[graymatter]

Do I live in fear of going to prison? No

Not only that but I dont fear the draft either, I served my 4 years starting back in '92. As far as i know im untouchable by the draft. However, I have thought many times about joining the Sea Bees, as I am a Union Pipefitter.

But if things get that bad, what prison you think they will put you in?

My guess is a federal pen, where you will then join the already in place federal prison work force makeing uniforms, boots, helmets, body armor, and other gear like canteens, for the armed forces.

So either way, go to war or work in a factory, but the way things are, with the GOV able to make a terrorist out of anyone protesting there policies, in the end you wont have a choice but to work for the war machine.

Granted that senario is way extreme, but, not impossible.

And if things do get that bad, then policy nightmare or not, I'm not sure we will be able to get the Bush family out of office. After all at that point anyone willing to fight them is already in a federal prison, or off shooting at other men in war.

Good points... In the end I feel a return of the draft will put everyone in a position to do something. Protest, Run, Fight, Defer, Join; point is when the draft went away so went full participation in our democratic system.

[Marlboroman]

point is when the draft went away so went full participation in our democratic system.

Explain this a little if you dont mind, I'm sure I have the wrong idea of what you mean to say.

The question that comes to mind is, does this mean your in favor of manditory service time in order to vote, get a drivers liscense, a passport, qualify for citizenship and stuff along those lines?

Of course, thats the extreme view of your statement, but the more practical view of it is, does this mean that mean your in favor of the draft for reasons it will build public interest in the GOV's policies?

[rainbows.rsexy]

this will all drag on forever....boosting war time supply companies

[rainbows.rsexy]

we made the muslims of the middle east rich by inventing the internal cumbustion engine

[graymatter]

Explain this a little if you dont mind, I'm sure I have the wrong idea of what you mean to say.

The question that comes to mind is, does this mean your in favor of manditory service time in order to vote, get a drivers liscense, a passport, qualify for citizenship and stuff along those lines?

Of course, thats the extreme view of your statement, but the more practical view of it is, does this mean that mean your in favor of the draft for reasons it will build public interest in the GOV's policies?

Yes, on the latter, Marlboro... Mandatory service shouldn't be a requirement for other rights and privilages.

It's about engaging the system in a "real and results" way. Vietnam vets, a good many drafted, helped to end that unjust war. We're starting to hear and see growing dissent from our troops in the current unjust war in Iraq.

[iamapatient]

True, but socialism is a more humane system of government. Are you saying there is ANYTHING moral about capitalism? Even Christianity is more akin to socialism than capitalism... The the fairy tales of the new testament imply that much... :thumbsup:

Socialism is more akin to slavery, there's nothing humane about loosing your freedom. Capitalism is very moral, anyone can make it in America, in socialist/communist countries....not so much. Socialism is a failed experiment, it's fundementally flawed and is therefore doomed. Christianity has nothing to do with neither socialism nor capitalism. There are many Christian capitalists that give to charities.

[halo]

You all realize that if we did go to war with Iran it would basically start WWIII right"?

[iamapatient]

You all realize that if we did go to war with Iran it would basically start WWIII right"?

While that is what the pacifists have said about every conflict since WWII, no, that's not exactly true. It would depend on how the war was defined. A ground war with Iran would be very difficuly and the casualties would be much greater than what we've seen since Viet Nam. However, an air war, with targeted strikes, not aimed at regime change but designed to set back (completely possible) or destroy (not likely) it's nuke programs could easily be accomplished, alone or with another coalition of the willing. That said, we're not there yet. The carrot/stick package was just delivered and they have time before there's moves towards sanctions, which will take more time, etc. Meanwhile, back at the batcave, Iraqi's are being trained and taking over more responsibilty for their own security freeing up troops for other fronts on the WOT. Terrorist cells are being taken down, worldwide. I believe America will be hit again but only because we're not perfect and they only have to have one success to negate a bunch of our successes.

The idea that we'll get into an all out groud war with Iran, in the next 55 days, based on a "staged terrorist attack," is obtuse and based on unfounded conspiracy theory. Frankly, I find 99.99% of conspiracy theory to be insultingly ignorant and completely benal.