mods here rough??? man, you ought to join other sites before saying something like that! try getting away with a fraction of the subjects posted here at places like marijuana.c-m, icmag and planetganga...the mods there tolerate little outside of pot-talk and definitely no kids...and most are ending all sales and distribution chatter too. it's going underground, back to where it started in the mid-90's and it's probably a good thing too as we have been getting freer and more open with our gardening habits without any help from changing the laws...