Clones seem stuck in neutral ....

[oldsanclem]

Clones as old as the muther, WTF. Yes till the new stem and leaves start. If that were the case I have 8 year old clones.
Perlite/vermiculite clones take about a week to come up with good roots. A air cloner about 3 days. Bubbler cloner about the same.
The groth of clones is a strain base , a ferts, air/ water, time elements.
IN the grow cycle of clones and grow sequence after the first week it a even groth rate.
Suggest you test your ph and air flow, also use antiwilt on the leaves, this helps the losses from the leaves.
Note the best groth is 18 hrs a day growing time. Plants need the change to dark, its part of there life cycle. After a couple hundred test its well proven.

[GaGrown]

That is the case! They are as old as the mother! Taking cuttings from an establihed mother at any age,constitutes the age of the clone! Even though you just cut it!

Ga Grown

[oldsanclem]

I think the dna of the strain , is maintained with the cutting. But as the clone is cloned, the enviorment will change the make up of the clone to match.
Thus a clone changes to the current conditions. A desert strain grown in a high rh and cooler temps , does not need the extra resin to make the plant servive in wetter and cooler temp.
I have grown Hawiian strain for 10 years before it went down hill , From wowie wowie to woops.
Growing and cloning a high temp and low rh , required a little work even the its HIgh High went to flat land.
Trouble with seeds there so many piss poor , validated strains.
Breeding for stablizied seed, not just knocking up plants. I would guess it takes about 3-10 years to get a stablized strain and 20-100 test to prove it.
But this has been proven over the last 60 years so not much has changed.

[GaGrown]

Your right! I'm saying the Mother is a certain age! Right? If you take a cutting from the mother of a pure strain,you will have a plant just like the mother and the same age! Until you clone a clone! Then it goes south! Downhill from there! So take clones from a pure mother and not from a clone taken from a clone.You stay consistant potency,with out decrease!

Ga Grown

[oldsanclem]

I have done it both ways, as a plant is in a enviorment it aclimates to its conditions.
The desert strains will change there way of growing over the years. I think its on going from the muther 1,,to muther/clones/clones.
As the dna is the same, the timming per rh% and Temps, lighting. All have a condition to the final bud.
This seemed to work out on two strains. White Widow , Hawiian ??. And one more test under way.
Do to the fact it takes about 3-5 crops to maximize the strains output.
Federal plant counts prohibit extra plants. So I keep back up and test strains to a min.
I have even made test of differnt , so far it complys to what large growers come up with.
strain, strain, good growing practices.

[GaGrown]

There you go! DNA is the same! I told you! You answered ya own question! DNA Is on the decline if taken from a clone and not a mother!

Ga Grown

[Pothead4204life]

I have the same problem but with the a seedling...bad huh?

[GaGrown]

It's not the same thing as a clone until it's a mother or a female! You just don't know at that stage!

Ga Grown

[Tokudai]

There you go! DNA is the same! I told you! You answered ya own question! DNA Is on the decline if taken from a clone and not a mother!

Ga Grown

Where did you hear this? I have taken a clone of a clone - of a clone! and everything is the same as the original mother. Granted the mom is only ~ 4 years old or so.. but its the first I have heard of the DNA "degrading" automagically.

As long as common sense is used and inferior clones (read: weaker, not as strong growth, mutated) are discarded, there should be no discernable degradation. Think about Granny Smith apples - all of them (ALL of them, everywhere...) basically come from the original granny smith apple tree (I believe originally from australia, from.. you guessed it - Granny Smiths garden). Occasionally a granny smith apple tree will throw out an odd fruit, colored or sweeter - this would not be the tree to clone from.

Actually most any stabilized apple varieties are from clones....

[mscaboo]

gagrown,i suggerst you do some reading on the clone subject.i am on my 5th cycle of clones and there is no signs of degradation in potency.i know of other growers that are even further.also this subject is coverd in many articles.do some reading before making giving out advice like that.