Quote Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Gumby,

The reason that I bring age and whether one has had a child yet,into question,is because until you have a child,there's a whole side of Life,that you haven't experienced. My gal said to me just the other day,that she reckons that because she's never had a child,that she's never had to grow up.

You mentioned something about humility,I think that you are confusing humility with self-loathing and not gittin what ya want. Denying yerself,some of the wants that you have-is not humility. True humility,is best gained through the 'death ' of ego..and by way of being 'humbled'..have you ever been humbled ? I have--many times..and I have learned much about Life,because of it. For instance,I've lived on the street a couple,three times..and I've lost everything that I owned,several times..after awhile,you at least come to understand-that material possesions mean nothing,that un-conditional love and serving others less fortunate or able,is what truly matters.

Have a good one ...


I was humbled with my fathers death... I got to change his diapers and wipe his ass for the last months of his life... I got to pick him up out of bed and put him in his wheelchair so he could eat, then put him back in his bed... I saw him knocked up on so many drugs that he hadn't a clue who I was... I got to hear my grandmother and mother fight over him whlie he was dying... I wasn't old enough to ever drink a beer with my father... Is it being humbled, maybe not in your book... but in mine it's enough...

after awhile,you at least come to understand-that material possesions mean nothing,that un-conditional love and serving others less fortunate or able,is what truly matters.

I don't care about material things, and to me money is a fucking joke... but that is why I am soo pissed and hate the church. It is why I believe amerikans are ignorant along with christians... because they do not understand that statment... they mix unconditional love with blind following, and serving others less fortunate, only if they are less fortunate than you are...

amerikans, like yourself, only judge people in relationship to themselves... Where I'd rather hear what a 5 year old thought of God than a 55 year old. You see I was a magician for a while and the best thing I discovered doing magic is that childeren aren't fooled as welll as adults. You can do the best magic tricks in the world to kids and they wouldn't have a clue what you were doing... their brians don't work like adults... whereas I could fool any adult, adults are too reliant on previous experiences to notice the small differences because they already have thier minds made up of the outcome...

And I can only think the same applies here... You read what I started with about your religion and didn't take in the small differences I noted... yuo weren't particular about the details... not until it came to how it related to your own life... you didn't pay attention to the small details and complaints I have about religion... you saw the begining and quickly went to the end again, without realizing what was happening in the middle...

You and I both believe in the same ideas, love not hate - peace not war...
I think moat rational people are the same... it's the sad fact that amerika and christians are too ignorant to think that someone who doesn't believe in what they do could also be right that is ruining this world and why I am so pissed... I'd just suggest taking more time to read the small details and understand what goes on in the grey area... don't rely on the begining and end so much and have fun in purgatory..