shelbay, I don't care what you believe.. I'm pretty sure I've said that before.. and if you do respect what I believe then you shouldn't get offended for Fuck, Shit, Piss, Cunt, Mother Fucker...

You getting offened by that is the same as when I get offended by the remarks you make. It's just a difference of belief and I respect yours... The problem I find with most christians is they cannot defend what they believe... they are told to believe soemthing and if they don't they go to hell..

I would love to talk religion with you, I don't think you know what I believe or what God I believe in... as I don't you, which is why I didn't want this to get personal. But I will be more that happy to have and educated debate on the topic in the other forum..

Shelbay, I have no problem talking with you and think you have a very open mind. I really don't think about you when I go off on rants and call people ignorant.. those are mostly for Bong, although I'm done talking to him now, and Torog.

the only reasons/excuses they gave were I wasn't old enough to know what to believe, and that is ignorance. that does piss me off... and I do want to say fuck off.. that's not hatred, not me not liking them as a person... it's only my oponion on their beliefs and if I should talk to them about mine... If I'm too young to believe in something and share it, and too young to realize that the Church is a lie, then I don't want to talk to you about what I believe... it just shows me that they are ignorant and no matter what or why I believe what I do it's going to be wrong...


I also think you misread the quote, it's not about being humble, (offline I'm much more humble than you would image) it's about knowing what you think and believe in life, rather than having people tell you what you ought to believe. Nothing I say or type should have any effect, and I hope it desn't, on what you believe until you undertand and know why I believe it and why/how you could believe it..

i'll start one over in the other forum if you want to talk about religion, but like you it's not something I like talking about too much, because mostly it ends up like my other threads, but I do believe you and I could have an open honest talk about what each of us believe... I just hope you understand that the offensive language I used isn't meant personally to you or anyone else.

"The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself."

Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821 - 1890)

"Science may have found a cure for most evils; but it has found no remedy for the worst of them all - the apathy of human beings."

Helen Keller (1880 - 1968), My Religion, 1927

"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."

Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

"It is a fine thing to establish one's own religion in one's heart, not to be dependent on tradition and second-hand ideals. Life will seem to you, later, not a lesser, but a greater thing."

D. H. Lawrence (1885 - 1930)