this is the enemy...

[Shelbay]

I saw it..can you believe my confession of ignorance for the day is..I did not know muslims/arabs helped hitler murder Jews? I know,I know..I know alot of history but finding out its selective history..thanks Torog for that info..now I have a rebuttal based on fact concerning this part.

[Gumby]

Howdy Gumby,

After reading this reply of your's and a couple of others,I see a pattern..when referring to muslims you capitalize it,same as ya do for the nazi's,you also capitalize God,when in context with muslims and not when in context with Christians. You slipped up when ya said "Christian/Republican party".

You appear to be a hateriot..dedicated to the hatred of America and a sympathizer with the muslim-jihadists and nazi's. You say that we should "read some history"..you should take that advice too..because if you did-you'd know that the muslim-arabs,worked with hitler to eliminate Jews..and now they are heading down the same path..with you prancing happily along side them.

I live with Americans,I know Americans,I worked with Americans..you are no American.

Have a good one ...

if you knew anything about being a true christain and what the religion really stands for and means you wouldn't have put a picture of a cross right under what you said...

Exodus 20:
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


fuck reading history, why not trying to read the Ten Commandments first... your too busy thinking of how to defend your faith and your beliefs to educate yourself more about them. I consider my self Christian and I am not Muslim... I however think the Church is a lie and a joke, amerikan christians are the same as well... you're too busy reading your 4 gospels and paying all your money to your church so that you can hang out with a white jesus in heaven.

My Jesus, the one that was alive 2000 years ago, didn't believe in a church. I follow his teachings and live my life the way he would want... Not thinking that god wants me to live the way I do.

The fatal flaw that allows you to keep thinking the church and 4 gospel bible are telling you the same thing is that they have made you to believe that You can trust in God, and that God Blessed America, and that Jesus loves you...

you shouldn't trust in god and blindly think that god is on your side... that's called ignorance... you should live your life in a matter in which God could trust you...

God didn't bless america either... more ignorance than thinking he trusts us... America was founded on a freedom of religion for a reason, here is where you can look into history... this country wasn't founded under god...

Jesus has no idea who you are... he's dead and has been for a while... God isn't a man and he's not sitting up in heaven taking notes of your life... he doesn't care what words I am typing right now or what I am saying... cause we as Humans don't have the capacity to understand Heaven or God. Jesus did, and he tried to share that message. I follow Jesus' message and his way of life.. you can keep thinking that the church is correct and that amerika is rightous... I don't care, but just stop thinking because I do not like the church or amerika that I do not God, Jesus, Christians, Muslims, America...

there is a difference you are just to blind or ignorant to see it... I don't bash you or call you names because you don't believe what I do... I am hoping none of these comments are being taken personally, if they are maybe you shouldn't think I'm attacking you but should think that there reasons why I think Jesus isn't white and there shouldn't be crosses and crucifixes everywhere, it's Nazi tactics... Bush uses the same things... I'm not comparing them are partys or who they grouped with or who they killed...

the spark for 75% of the wars for the past 2000 years have been religion. There is a global war going on the US - Iraq war is just a small battle where two leaders find reason to go to war. The background and main underlying of the war however is Religion... and amerika is too ignorant to see that cause 'god loves amerika' and it's 'god's will'

watch kingdom of heaven... it spells it out in a nice neat movie... where no political pundints saying anything... look at your history, find out the past 2000 years of religion... it's all there...

By the way the Evolution debate is an easy way to see how ignorant christians can be...

I do hate christians the ones who think god shat out everything and was all done... the ignorant ones who think Noah put 2 of everything on a little boat... yes I hate you... you're ignorant and not christian... you are taking my God and Religion and whipping your ass with it... it's disgraceful in the least and it's the mere fact that you are only too ignorant to believe something else that you cannot and will not change you mind.

[Shelbay]

I was raised hardcore Southern Baptist and thought I would be struck dead on the spot for many sins as a child but never once were we taught that Jesus is white..we were told that he was olive skinned..some even said dark skin..Born and raised right here in Alabama and can say for a fact we were never taught he was white..We were mainly taught that he loved us all and that is why he died for our sins..for us..so yes Jesus does know me..he knew us before we formed in the womb. And I am not taking your post personally..I actually have time and am able to focus well this morning so I actually comprehended your entie post..its just after reading your post I felt I needed to share because I didn't take it personal but no I didn't like it..but thats your right and I respect that.

[Gumby]

we shouldn't even know what Jesus looked like... we shouldn't want or need to know... we should want to know his name, his history, and his teachings...

Images of Jesus and God are a sin...

I know you may not think he was white, but like I said it wasn't meant to be personal... I just don't understand, and maybe you could help me on this end, when the church (anyone's christian church) preaches something that is flawed from history, science and logic in one teaching or another could contine to believe the rest blindly, or with 'faith'??

I guess what I'm asking is while I was young and reading the bible it didn't make sense and I had questions, evolution, dinosaurs, noah, helocentricity, history, oximorons, and logical fallices thoughout the bible I was told I was 'too smart' for religion... That blew my lid and since then just studied about religion and tried to do so with an open mind. I wasn't an atheist but I had no faith in god as I knew him... and I couldn't/didn't find faith and religion until I realzied that the church in it's self is a lie and so are it's teachings... to find to religion and faith you can't go to a church and be taught... you have to go out and find it yourself... I mean I have learned more about religion and God outside the church than inside and I just want to know why people keep thinking that they are closer to god in a church and yb a preacher... whrere does that belief and faith come from?? Why do you believe in that??

[Bong30]

We are not talking about mohaamad...... we are talking about Jesus



if you are to smart for religion....id rather be dumb....

[Gumby]

Exodus 20:
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

that's in the bible... the one that talks about Jesus... they are the same religion... they are all based on the same beliefs...

[Bong30]

im going to hell and you are all coming with me...............

[Torog]

I was raised hardcore Southern Baptist and thought I would be struck dead on the spot for many sins as a child but never once were we taught that Jesus is white..we were told that he was olive skinned..some even said dark skin..Born and raised right here in Alabama and can say for a fact we were never taught he was white..We were mainly taught that he loved us all and that is why he died for our sins..for us..so yes Jesus does know me..he knew us before we formed in the womb. And I am not taking your post personally..I actually have time and am able to focus well this morning so I actually comprehended your entie post..its just after reading your post I felt I needed to share because I didn't take it personal but no I didn't like it..but thats your right and I respect that.

Howdy Shelbay,

I hear ya..I was raised up in the Church of Christ,the conservative one..and I don't think that we ever made the color of Jesus's skin,an issue.

As for Gumby,I have the feeling that I'm talking to a youngun,who ain't even had children yet..have ya got any children ? I just have one,and she turned 26,not long ago and she is the greatest blessing

I just have a hard time,taking anyone serious,who has had no children or is under 30...lol. I'll be 47 in July and I do feel the generation gap,I tell you what ! lol

Have a good one ! :thumbsup:

[Gumby]

i'm glad that you judge people but not what they know or how they think by by their age...

that's not ignorance at all... and damn to think that christians were ignorant, man I'm sorry... fuck off... you guys are taking the White Jesus thing and running with it, I gave at least 10 diffferent ideas that the Church is a lie... and the only thing you people can say is I never learned jesus was white and your not old enough to argue religion...

that's horrible and I can see how ignorance plays a large part in your life and your ideas... it is really sad...

it is why I hate the chruch and why I think amerikan christians are a fucking joke and ruining the world... and if you don't even notice it from the dribble that you fucks are posting agian and again I have no idea how to tell you that you are stupid any other way....

"To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying Amen to what the world tells you you ought to prefer, is to have kept your soul alive. "

- Robert Louis Stevenson (1850 - 1895)

[Shelbay]

Hey Gumby..I tried respecting you and your beliefs but its obvious you don'y know the meaning of that word..anymore than you know me or my religion okay..so concerning your "f**k off"..we are stupid and other words you choose to describe people you don't have a clue about and no money to buy any..why don't we just take this to the religion forum? Then I will debate you on religion..just for you! Stupidity as you call it does not merge with a persons religion and beliefs..your full of hate..thats your burden okay..but I assure you..my belief in God is not a threat to you so why even keep on with calling me stupid etc for what I believe..that is a censorship attitude at its best..my word for you would be hypocritical..try being like Breukelen..he doesn't make his beliefs personal..he just makes his way known. And about the white Jesus issue..YOU brought that into the convo..and seeing as Jesus was a Jew..makes me wonder about you and your real hate..not being mean..but you really hate America and anyone that is not like you..that is imo leaning more toward nazi practice than my belief in my God would ever be. When you want to take it to the religion forum..give me 24 hour notice with a date and time and we will continue this..if you have it in you? I usually make a point not to do that to keep from being labeled as trying to force my beliefs on non believers but seeing as you can hold your own lets take this to religion..you have the right to be a non believer and I have the right to defend and offend if need be okay. And the humble part..I have no problem being humble..what is it to you or Robert Louis Stevenson what makes my life full? If Jesus and God do it for me..what is your problem with it?? Through with this issue on this thread.:smokin: