ok everyone here is the update one the plants. ice2000 and white russian after 2 days of germing in the rapid rooters are up and doing well under 125w cool flo light now. the other 2 lazy bitches are taking there time, sleepy heads. dont know about the big bud seed had it for along time and didnt store it well when i was done with them. but the ai has broke its shell just waiting to put her under the light.