Why do you use psychedelics?

[Its a Plant]

I made the mistake of driving while tripping H A R D and I barely made it through a busy 5 o'clock traffic. Never again though.

lol say what you gotta say man no need to spell check and proof read a novel.
Type from the heart ... lol.

[harmonicminor]

some people under lab conditions have demonstrated telekinesis
I myself visit the other side and meet beings while using Salvia :-)
I also write songs while tripping because for some reason different music pops in my head that I normally wouldn't think of sober

[Trichocereus Panza]

seriously ask yourself something...what the hell can a person who can't even trust his own eyes because he's tripping possibly be learning. Are you guys sure that you don't just "think" or "feel" like your growing spiritually.

C'mon man I think you know what is wrong with this logic. It's the same old "natural vs. artificial" debate again, and we all know that it becomes clear that everything in the universe is ultimately a natural thing. In the same way, there is no such thing as a "self deception" where you "just think" something is happening where in actuality you're wrong about it. What would it mean to be wrong about anything? There is just what you experience, which is a natural thing, self-sufficient for its own validity. Obviously there is no objective test to see whether someone is having a spiritual experience, but that's because there is no line to draw between spiritual and non-spiritual. It's all the same stuff.

As you point out, everyone has a different conception of what it means to grow spiritually, but that's only because everyone grows spiritually in their own unique, undpredictable, and individual way. There is probably no experience that doesn't cause us to grow in some way. We don't go backwards in life and we don't stand still either. Every moment is growth, and the reason we all have different expressions for it is simply what you said: every trip is different because of a variety of factors. So of course we are going to have different conceptions of what spiritual growth is for us individually, and some of us might not call it that at all.

As harmonicminor said, some people don't associate the word 'spiritual' with the kind of experiences we get on psychedelics. But we pretty much universally can't help but become ourselves, and feel love and sympathy for others, and feel happy and free. Those feelings take root in each of the individual situations we find ourselves in, and so there is always a different way of describing them. There is always a new way of saying it, which is how it should be. Just use what is right in front of you, because that is what exists.

I agree that the word 'spiritual' is vague. That is only because we are TRYING to define it, to pin it down, to give it an essence and talk about it in abstract terms. But it's never abstract; reality is made up of embodied experiences in the real world--it's not made up of words. There is a particular thing going on at each moment, and that's what spiritual growth is.

There is a lot of truth to the saying "whatever doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger." Whether you realize it or not, you are learning from everything that happens to you. And that is true no matter HOW you've been taught to regard psychedelics, or how to regard life.

[harmonicminor]

and I banged a chick for 6 hours straight once :-)
now if that isnt spiritual I dont know whats is lol lmao :-)

[harmonicminor]

Panza,
you are one smart dude :-)

[Dextromethorphan]

When I said that I needed time to formulate my words I meant that I have shit to do right now and I don't want to think very hard. I'll post that bit tomorrow.

[harmonicminor]

lol makin ya think huh Dex???
just copy and paste the text from your other thread bro
it was an exellent report :-)

[Dextromethorphan]

haha, you got me there. Thanks about the report. I'm glad to see spirits are up and tension has cooled a bit.

[Trichocereus Panza]

where's the report, I'd like to read it

[Its a Plant]

it is pretty interesting.
they always are though.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=66473