Meet Your Meat

[Edgar]

I'm not humanizing anything, animals are very much like us, that is a fact. Whether they can feel emotional pain or not, (and i suspect they do to some degree) if somebody starts tearing them to pieces while they are still alive, i guarantee they are suffering and not just in a emotional way. You say animals serve a purpose and from what i gather, apperently you think that purpose is to be food and/or slaves. Does that include us? If some being from outer space decided that it was far more advanced than you and just for the sake of debate, lets say you even agree that it is more advanced than you, does that give it the right to kill and eat you and yours? After all, you would be serving a purpose.



Yes I believe that living off the suffering of other sentient beings is wrong if it's not required, that's one of my core beliefs. Therefore i recognize that I am a sinner and dont try to tell me otherwise. I dont base my beliefs on fairy tales or whims, i base them on science, experience, and observation. I know other animals and people are much alike, and based on that knowledge, I know that there is a good chance that humans and other animals feel many of the same things. What do you base your beliefs on? You believe it's not wrong to kill animals and eat them even if we dont need to eat them? Why? Why is it not wrong? I've given a few reasons why i believe what i believe, but you have not given a reason for believing what you believe.

Well, at least you live in a country where you can make a choice to not eat meat based on moral objection.

If i lived where it wasn't a choice, I wouldn't object to eating meat, I might see it as an unfortunate necessity but i wouldn't see it as totally wrong. If i didn't eat, i would die.

[TonyD]

Im not sure if your aware of this but there's something called the food chain.

We're at the top of it...

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PWN3D

[Edgar]

By the way, lets just get one obvious emotion out of the way. I think even you would agree that fear is a fairly universal animal emotion.

[TonyD]

Fear is universal, i recognise that. Although i do object to the way some vegetarians aggressively advertise there own vegan ways while trying to make people who take part in what comes naturally (eating what you like) feel guilty.

[beachguy in thongs]

It is human nature to kill animals for food and pick vegetables. Early in our evolution, we couldn't speak or didn't have meanings, but we killed animals for food. There was no such thing as a housecat.

If we hunted instinctively, there's a pretty good chance it's God intention.

[Ousted]

Whether they can feel emotional pain or not, (and i suspect they do to some degree) if somebody starts tearing them to pieces while they are still alive, i guarantee they are suffering and not just in a emotional way.

Right. You can guarantee they are in pain in a physical way...
What you cannot guarantee is if its in an emotional way.

You say animals serve a purpose and from what i gather, apperently you think that purpose is to be food and/or slaves. Does that include us? If some being from outer space decided that it was far more advanced than you and just for the sake of debate, lets say you even agree that it is more advanced than you, does that give it the right to kill and eat you and yours? After all, you would be serving a purpose.

Well, if it served his people to do that, then yeah, it probably does give him right. Will I like it? No. Did I serve a purpose? Yes.

Yes I believe that living off the suffering of other sentient beings is wrong if it's not required, that's one of my core beliefs. Therefore i recognize that I am a sinner and dont try to tell me otherwise. I dont base my beliefs on fairy tales or whims, i base them on science, experience, and observation. I know other animals and people are much alike, and based on that knowledge, I know that there is a good chance that humans and other animals feel many of the same things.

So now you feel you have a right to impose your beliefs on me and judge me, if I dont embrace them as you do, all because you have your "feeling" about animals and their "feelings" which you created in your own head? So now I must change my whole way of thinking and my diet all because you "feel" that we are the same as animals and that eating animals is immoral? Forget history, forget instinct, forget everything I know...all because of your feeling?

Uh, no.

[GHoSToKeR]

beachguy, is it also human nature to go to the movies, smoke Cannabis or work in an office 9-5?

[beachguy in thongs]

I've smoked weed all day, at work, and took a girl out to the movies at night, then fell asleep.

[NYCZILLESTROLLER]

meat is the best, you can't get me off meat

[Edgar]

So now you feel you have a right to impose your beliefs on me and judge me, if I dont embrace them as you do, all because you have your "feeling" about animals and their "feelings" which you created in your own head? So now I must change my whole way of thinking and my diet all because you "feel" that we are the same as animals and that eating animals is immoral? Forget history, forget instinct, forget everything I know...all because of your feeling?

Uh, no.

No I'm not saying that at all. I dont presume to judge others, I judge only myself. By the way, I have more than gut feelings, if you really want me to be specific. There is quite a lot of evidence that supports my beliefs, no i can't prove them without a doubt, but its certainly not just a "feeling" i have.

Now would you kindly answer my question? What do you base your beliefs on? Or is just your "instinct".