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In society's as well. Animals dont have the ability to determine who or what is important.
Exactly. Humans have determinded that humans are the most important race. Funny that. Do you really think that humans as a whole would ever think anything different? It's the same concept as GW Bush deciding that America is the only nation stable enough to have nuclear weapons...
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You're right, our right to live is no more important than any other living creatures right in the grand scheme of things, though who would make that determination, really? But as far as my finding myself, my species, and my appetite as being more important than some animals, I sure as heck do.
That's fair enough.. but you know the suffering that these animals go through. surely you can change your diet, just as I and many others have, to help stop this? It's not much of a sacrifice.. yet again, if you don't give a shit then I guess it is. That's all it comes down to at the end of the day; giving a shit or not giving a shit.
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Some argue otherwise, but who makes the distinction? And what makes your distinction the correct one?
I don't know.. but like Edgar said I know for a fact that animals suffer, where as I don't know whether plants suffer or not, and as far as i'm aware they don't. That's the only distinction I can make.
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Actually, we have come this far because we believe ourselves to be more important.
How so?
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Shit is less important than me, but you dont see me eating shit.
So, even if animals are less important, why is it okay to treat them as we do? To murder them because we can't be assed to change our diet..
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A little bit, but hey.
Hey, we're all a little bit silly sometimes..
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You know there are places that are humane that raise animals for slaughter that there sole purpose is to provide an alternative to those places that cram animals in tight confined spaces, and do god knows what to them during their life to get their meat to ya. More expensive meat, but probably choosing to eat animals raised in those kinds of humane conditions would support your cause more than not eating meat altogether.
I don't agree. I don't believe that humans should be killing other animals. We make the claim that it's okay because we're more important than them, more intelligent, more advanced. But people also say that it's okay to eat animals because we're naturally carnivores and other animals eat meat.

So which is it? Are we better than animals and therefore capable of showing compassion and sympathy for creatures who are defenceless against us, or are we animals ourselves? If so then we aren't any more important, just more advanced.

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I think its great that you really believe in this and want to make a difference. I just think you would make more of a difference supporting organizations that concetrate soley on the humane treatment of animals, then washing your hands of it entirely, and making yourself miserable by eliminating a very important and essential part of your diet. And whether you believe it or not, you are a carnivore, not an herbivore, even if you never eat meat again. Those kinds of places need passionate people like you to support them. Its hard to compete with the slaughterhouses that get consumers very affordable meat at a high price to the animals which, frankly as a whole, people really arent that concerned over.
I'm not miserable. What makes you think that? Cutting meat out of my diet was hard because humans are lazy and we grow accustomed to things pretty easily, but since then i've never felt healthier (apart from my health problems at the moment.. +lol+ but that's unrelated). I don't see how it would help if I started eating meat again? How am I not helping animals to stop being killed? And how would eating animals again help?
GHoSToKeR Reviewed by GHoSToKeR on . Meet Your Meat I know vegetarians want people who eat meet to stop, and we're sick of it.. i know meat eats want vegetarians to stop telln us to eat meat.. i always thought i knew how badly animals were treated, but i still didnt stop eatin meat.. until i saw this.. many of you will probably ignore this, but please, go to this site, download the video, watch it, and make your own opinion... i just watched it and it made me physically sick, im not eatin meat anymore, fuck that.. peace Rating: 5