â?¦.Im always unsure in which direction to train the growing shoots and always end up with the main one near the edge which can cause some problems
Aâ?¦.. This is why I top my plants (alternative views on this later). I try to encourage several co-dominant shoots.
I top the clones,taking as small a part of the tip as is possible,when they are early in veg.I will also bend them if necessary to get the lateral shoots growing evenly.
Once they're into the screen I just spread the branches out across the screen.
Ok,so one shoot may be slightly dominant but the problem can be more acute with untopped plants.
To my mind,most problems are caused by too long a veg time.
Too short a veg time and your screen will not be entirely full but you'll get some nice fat nugs anyway.
Get it right and you'll have more nugs than you know what to do with and the prospect of the trim from hell���..ho-hum!
Veg too long and you are in danger of growing mainly stems.The canopy will be overcrowded and the buds will be too skinny.If you have vegged too long and you spot it early enough a good hack with the pruning scissors can sort it out.The only thing to do is get in and cut out some of the weaker growth.

Qâ?¦ are there any down sides to scrog?
Aâ?¦.You may have so much bud that you are overcome with DANKness !

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Unreal

i'm going upwards too in 2005 ! 3x the area of a standard flat incorperating a rail & a reflectless bulb(s)

i normally train the plants over & dont top unless i have to keep plants under 3feet off the net....reason being that plants with large predominant main colas will throw an abudance of prime scrog shoots when laid horizontal on the screen...and if plants are vegged large enough most mid plant branches will give a simular effect........

certain allowances can be made for overuns by adding vetical supports (box scrog) ........pullin the screen down central to form a dish which suits the bulb radiation pattern adds more screen area = more yeild......but if you dont hold it tight to the screen these can become to large & need further support .....IMO your aiming for budz between the 7-10 g mark.....& 15/20 budz per plant is about average

fan leave removal well! if it means loseing a leaf OR A PART OF ONE to achieve better bud site exposure I participate (just squint your eyes when u do it .....I find by clipping shoots to the top side of the screen only allows for easy reposition at later stages which aids less prunning & if you dont cross banches of one plant over another a more equal pattern will develope (1 to 2 leaves a branch over a total grow period can be classed as LST)

very strain related.......but like fai says 'not rocket science' 10 times better then tape string & canes..

disadvantage.....health of every plant as regards to pests is paramount..leave room to get under screen & check the well vented area regular, mites can become well established out of genral view, precaution's to prevent are advised


Q...do you weave the branches through the mesh or train them under the screen?
A...I train them under the screen, but do what you feel comfortable with, just dont grow from seed.

Q...when you say, " just don't grow from seed," is that because of not knowing a plant's sex?
A...Yes, its going to be at least 4 weeks veg to get your screen filled and then upto 2 weeks to see the sex, thats one hell of a big plant to unravel especially if you crossed over any of the other plants on the screen

Q...do you think it would be a bad idea to scrog say 10 plants all from femmed seeds
A...You've better odds than with non-femmed seeds obviously but there's still the possibility of getting a male or a bad hermie you need to get rid of.
You can chance it by all means, especially if you're willing to put in the effort to unravel the plants from the screen if necessary - however always the best bet is to grow from clones.

Q....are there any tips regarding harvesting and drying?on my last grow which wasnt scrog it was a simple cut and hang.i suppose my grow being modular i could hang the screen also but thought id ask what other scroggers do
A...I just clip off the nice regular colas, clip off any larger fan leaves, wrap in newspaper and place in a suitable cardboard box to dry - place in gr for good venting and odour control. 'Turn' newspapers daily.
When dry, remove and clip away 'sugar leaves', clip off individual buds, dry/cure further.

Q...i have quiet a large growroom and can grow my plants up to 5'6" so would it be any advantage to scrogg instead as you all seem to have height issues and thus being the main reason for your scroggs
A...yes sir........the tecnique is good for ppl with height problems but its about pushin the limits

Q...f you clone a branch that has begun flowering successfully,isnt it true that usually from the flower an unusual amount of branches grow?therefore wouldnt this be ideal for scroggers?has anybody tried it?
A's...yes it does work and does produce very branchy plants suited to scrog. One thing to mention is that the cuttings initially take longer to start growing so it is necessary to take that into account........
...I agree, although you get an extremely bushy plant, it takes a good few weeks to turn back to vegging and you get retarded growth for a while, and theres also the fact that you have to root a flowering plant which isnt too easy. It can also be very difficult to work to any kind of schedule doing this as you cant estimate accurately the time it will take a flowering branch to root and revert to veg, whereas you can allow a week for a normal clone and know it should happen on time. If you can work around these issues though it'd be a great idea. The other thing they're good for of course is mother plants

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Miguel Velcro

On another site,I recently saw a 1000w HPS in a fridge.The bloke got the worst yield I have ever seen from a 1k lamp but his space was packed.
A case of more watts not equalling more bud.
Is 65w per sqft really the upper limit with scrog though?Is it too high?
Anyone using upwards of 65w per sqft?
Do you feel you're getting more bud because of it?

jah bergerac

I'm sure 65w/ft is not the upper limit for scrogs-my last grow had a 600 +400hps over 1m screen-if my maths are right that equals around 10square ft -so 100w/ft. The buds beneath the 600 were much bigger-it was very noticeble-so if i had used two 600s (ie 120w/ft) it would have been much better. Air or water cooled lamps would, i think, be necessary to really push a scrog.

The distance of the lamps from the canopy has also got to be quite critical hasn't it?
I find it good to use a plastic disposable screen-so at harvest it is possible to cut the screen, rather than the buds, to bits.
-on a personal note-
i've been scrogging 4 stretching plants in a 2m screen tonight-its a fucking nightmare. Everytime i do it i vow to chop loads out so i don't have an overgrown mess-this time over 150 growing shoots (clones) have been removed-and still i can't keep the buggers down-there is nowwhere for them to go-all over again. Fuck it. There has got to be a lesson there somewhere.

Unreal

good points about the illumination........i've had up to 120 psf, but feel my results are much improved useing a 600 + rail & spreader which allows 3 in between cannopy & bulb covering the area I previously ran 1400 watts over
(does anyone have a formula for a movin light? power+ area + speed maybe!! )
if you've overpacked the screen look to run up the sides with some add on net (box scrog)
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