thanks dave, i like the one you have under the tv. gives me a good prospective.i like to see what its supposed to look like . i started clones from a flowering mom.another week or so i should be ready. one thing not real clear on thou,i am assuming this strech period you talk about is the time 12-12 starts till bud production stats in ernest.should i start training at beging of 12-12 or shortly before.
ounc again thanks for the pics and any more info greatly apreciated.

cmorbud