cool thanks...I went ahead and put a piece of pipe in the center hole and put a 90 deg fitting to help lessen the ammount of light I don't think that it added much if any light into the res, but like I said earlier the lid of the cloner lets light penetrate through it, but blacking out the sides did help make it a little darker inside....

I'll have to keep my eyes open for the miracle thaw.

I'm going to have to make another one of these today need to get some more clones going on I will look for a diff container that won't let in so much light.....quick question if I get a "colored" container should I paint the lid white or just leave it ??

thanks