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    THE LETTER

    So what do you guys think?

    Mr George Bush,
    President of the United States of America
    For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable
    contradictions that exist in the international arena -- which are being
    constantly debated, specially in political forums and amongst university
    students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to
    discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might
    bring about an opportunity to redress them. Can one be a follower of Jesus
    Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God,
    Feel obliged to respect human rights,
    Present liberalism as a civilization model,
    Announce one??s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and
    WMDs, Make ??War and Terror? his slogan, And finally, Work towards the
    establishment of a unified international community ?? a community which
    Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, But at the same time,
    Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people
    destroyed and on the slight chance of the ... of a ... criminals in a village city,
    or convoy for example the entire village, city or convey set ablaze. Or because
    of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied,
    around one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture
    and industry destroyed, close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground,
    sanctity of private homes of citizens broken, and the country pushed back
    perhaps fifty years. At what price?
    Hundreds of billions of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and
    certain other countries and tens of thousands of young men and women ?? as
    occupation troops ?? put in harms way, taken away from family and love ones,
    their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much
    psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide ant those
    returning home suffer depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of
    aliments; while some are killed and their bodies handed of their families.
    On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf
    both the peoples of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was
    revealed that no WMDs existed to begin with.
    Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to
    topple him, the announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons
    of mass destruction. He was toppled along the way towards another goal,
    nevertheless the people of the region are happy about it. I point out that
    throughout the many years of the ... war on Iran Saddam was supported by
    the West.

    Mr President,
    You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can these
    actions be reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter
    and duty to the tradition of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and
    forgiveness.There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried,
    have no legal representation, their families cannot see them and are
    obviously kept in a strange land outside their own country. There is no
    international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows
    whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
    European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in
    Europe too. I could not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her
    being kept in secret prisons, with the provisions of any judicial system. For
    that matter, I fail to understand how such actions correspond to the values
    outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus Christ
    (PBUH), human rights and liberal values.

    Young people, university students and ordinary people have many questions
    about the phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar with some of
    them. Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the
    establishment of a new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that
    is exclusive to our times. Students are saying that sixty years ago such a
    country did no exist. The show old documents and globes and say try as we
    have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel.
    I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told me that
    during WWII, which more than tens of millions of people perished in, news
    about the war, was quickly disseminated by the warring parties. Each touted
    their victories and the most recent battlefront defeat of the other party. After
    the war, they claimed that six million Jews had been killed. Six million people
    that were surely related to at least two million families.
    Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate
    into the establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for
    such a state? How can this phenomenon be rationalised or explained?

    Mr President,
    I am sure you know how ?? and at what cost ?? Israel was established:
    - Many thousands were killed in the process.
    - Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.
    - Hundred of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and
    villages were destroyed. This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of
    establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing for sixty years now.
    A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids,
    destroys houses while the occupants are still in them, announces beforehand
    its list and plans to assassinate Palestinian figures and keeps thousands of
    Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is unique ?? or at the very least
    extremely rare ?? in recent memory.
    Another big question asked by people is why is this regime being supported?
    Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or
    Moses (PBUH) or liberal values? Or are we to understand that allowing the
    original inhabitants of these lands ?? inside and outside Palestine ?? whether
    they are Christian, Muslim or Jew, to determine their fate, runs contrary to
    principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not,
    why is there so much opposition to a referendum? The newly elected
    Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observes
    have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly,
    they have put the elected government under pressure and have advised it to
    recognise the Israeli regime, abandon the struggle and follow the programs
    of the previous government. If the current Palestinian government had run on
    the above platform, would the Palestinian people have voted for it? Again, can
    such position taken in opposition to the Palestinian government be reconciled
    with the values outlined earlier? The people are also saying ??why are all UNSC
    resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed??

    Mr President,
    As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact
    with them -- many people from around the Middle East manage to contact
    me as well. They dot not have faith in these dubious policies either. There is
    evidence that the people of the region are becoming increasingly angry with
    such policies. It is not my intention to pose to many questions, but I need to
    refer to other points as well. Why is it that any technological and scientific
    achievement reached in the Middle East regions is translated into and
    portrayed as a threat to the Zionist regime? Is not scientific R&D one of the
    basic rights of nations.
    You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point
    in history has scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the
    possibility of scientific achievements being utilised for military purposes be
    reason enough to oppose science and technology altogether? If such a
    supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics,
    chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed. Lies
    were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling
    lies is reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to.

    Mr President,
    Don??t Latin Americans have the right to ask, why their elected governments
    are being opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, why must they constantly
    be threatened and live in fear? The people of Africa are hardworking, creative
    and talented. They can play an important and valuable role in providing for
    the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and spiritual progress.
    Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from
    happening. Don??t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth ??
    including minerals ?? is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more
    than others? Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and
    the tenets of human rights?The brave and faithful people of Iran too have
    many questions and grievances, including: the coup d??etat of 1953 and the
    subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day, opposition to the
    Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters
    supporting, the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many
    thousands of pages of documents corroborates this claim), support for
    Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the shooting down of the Iranian
    passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation, increasing threats,
    anger and displeasure vis-*-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the
    Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and collaborating their
    country??s progress), and many other grievances that I will not refer to in this
    letter.

    Mr President,
    September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is
    deplorable and appalling in any part of the world. Our government
    immediately declared its disgust with the perpetrators and offered its
    condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.
    All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing
    of their citizens. Reportedly your government employs extensive security,
    protection and intelligence systems ?? and even hunts its opponents abroad.
    September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and
    executed without coordination with intelligence and security
    services ?? or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated
    guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are
    we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren??t those
    responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?
    All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their
    citizens. For some years now, the people of your country and neighbours of
    world trouble spots do not have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing
    and tending to the emotional wounds of the survivors and the American
    people ?? who had been immensely traumatised by the attacks ??
    some Western media only intensified the climates of fear and insecurity ??
    some constantly talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept
    the people in fear. Is that service to the American people? Is it possible to
    calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic? American citizen lived in
    constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in
    any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at
    home. Who would be happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of
    conveying a feeling of security and providing peace of mind, giving rise to a
    feeling of insecurity? Some believe that the hype paved the way ?? and was the
    justification ?? for an attack on Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of
    media. In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest
    reporting of a story are established tenets. I express my deep regret about
    the disregard shown by certain Western media for these principles. The main
    pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of WMDs. This was repeated
    incessantly ?? for the public to, finally, believe ?? and the ground set for an
    attack on Iraq. Will the truth not be lost in a contrive and deceptive climate?
    Again, if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the
    earlier mentioned values? Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well?

    Mr President,
    In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of
    governments so that their governments in turn are able to serve them.
    The question here is ??what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every
    year to pay for the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens??
    As your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living
    in poverty. Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge
    problem. Of course these problems exist ?? to a larger or lesser extent ?? in
    other countries as well. With these conditions in mind, can the gargantuan
    expenses of the campaign ?? paid from the public treasury ?? be explained and
    be consistent with the aforementioned principles? What has been said, are
    some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region
    and in your country. But my main contention ?? which I am hoping you will
    agree to some of it ?? is: Those in power have specific time in office, and do
    not rule indefinitely, but their names will be recorded in history and will be
    constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures. The people will
    scrutinize our presidencies. Did we manage to bring peace, security and
    prosperity for the people or insecurity and unemployment? Did we intend to
    establish justice, or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing
    many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and
    powerful ?? thus trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with
    theirs??? Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them?
    Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on
    them, interfered illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and
    incarcerated some of them? Did we bring the world peace and security or
    raised the specter of intimidation and threats? Did we tell the truth to our
    nation and others around the world or presented an inverted version of it?
    Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors? Did our
    administration set out to promote rational behaviour, logic, ethics,
    peace, fulfilling obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity,progress
    and respect for human dignity or the force of guns. Intimidation, insecurity,
    disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of other
    nations, and trample on people??s rights? And finally, they will judge us on
    whether we remained true to our oath of office ?? to serve the people, which is
    our main task, and the traditions of the prophets ?? or not?

    Mr President,
    How much longer can the world tolerate this situation?
    Where will this trend lead the world to? How long must the people of the
    world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will
    the specter of insecurity ?? raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass
    destruction ?? hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood
    of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and
    people??s houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current
    condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions
    of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were
    instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of
    health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental
    and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of
    employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty
    alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states and
    distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would
    the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably
    proud? Would not your administration??s political and economic standing have
    been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever
    increasing global hatred of the American governments?

    Mr President, it is not my intention to distress anyone.
    If prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were
    with us today, how would they have judged such behaviour? Will we be given
    a role to play in the promised world, where justice will become universal and
    Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be present? Will they even accept us?

    My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the rest of
    the world? Today there are hundreds of millions of Christians, hundreds of
    millions of Moslems and millions of people who follow the teachings of Moses
    (PBUH). All divine religions share and respect on word and that is
    ??monotheism? or belief in a single God and no other in the world. The holy
    Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine
    religions and says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable
    proposition between us and you that we shall not serve any but Allah and
    (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him and (that) some of us shall not
    take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then say: Bear
    witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).

    Mr President,
    According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God
    and follow the teachings of divine prophets. ??To worship a God which is
    above all powers in the world and can do all He pleases.? ??The Lord which
    knows that which is hidden and visible, the past and the future, knows what
    goes on in the Hearts of His servants and records their deeds.? ??The Lord who
    is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all universe is His court?
    ??planning for the universe is done by His hands, and gives His servants the
    glad tidings of mercy and forgiveness of sins?. ??He is the companion of the
    oppressed and the enemy of oppressors?. ??He is the Compassionate, the
    Merciful?. ??He is the recourse of the faithful and guides them towards the
    light from darkness?. ??He is witness to the actions of His servants?, ??He calls
    on servants to be faithful and do good deeds, and asks them to stay
    on the path of righteousness and remain steadfast?. ??Calls on servants to
    heed His prophets and He is a witness to their deeds.? ??A bad ending belongs
    only to those who have chosen the life of this world and disobey Him and
    oppress His servants?. And ??A good and eternal paradise belong to those
    servants who fear His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves.?
    We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only road
    leading to salvations. I have been told that Your Excellency follows the
    teachings of Jesus (PBUH), and believes in the divine promise of the rule of
    the righteous on Earth. We also believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of
    the great prophets of the Almighty. He has been repeatedly praised in the
    Koran. Jesus (PBUH) has been quoted in Koran as well; [19,36] And surely
    Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serves Him; this
    is the right path, Marium. Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the
    credo of all divine messengers. The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa,
    America, the Pacific and the rest
    of the world is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to
    all His servants. He has given greatness to Humans. We again read in the Holy
    Book: ??The Almighty God sent His prophets with miracles and clear signs to
    guide the people and show them divine signs and purity them from sins and
    pollutions. And He sent the Book and the balance so that the people display
    justice and avoid the rebellious.? All of the above verses can be seen, one way
    or the other, in the Good Book as well. Divine prophets have promised:
    The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the
    Almighty, so that their deeds are examined. The good will be directed
    towards Haven and evildoers will meet divine retribution. I trust both of us
    believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate the actions of rulers,
    because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives
    have been directly or indirectly effected by our actions. All prophets, speak of
    peace and tranquillity for man ?? based on monotheism, justice and respect
    for human dignity. Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and
    abide by these principles, that is, monotheism, worship of God, justice,
    respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day, we can overcome the
    present problems of the world ?? that are the result of disobedience to the
    Almighty and the teachings of prophets ?? and improve our performance?
    Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees
    peace, friendship and justice? Do you not think that the aforementioned
    written or unwritten principles are universally respected? Will you not accept
    this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to
    monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the
    Almighty and His prophets?

    Mr President,
    History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God
    has entrusted The fate of man to them. The Almighty has not left the universe
    and humanity to their own devices. Many things have happened contrary to
    the wishes and plans of governments. These tell us that there is a higher
    power at work and all events are determined by Him. Can one deny the signs
    of change in the world today? Is this situation of the world today comparable
    to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast and come at a furious pace.
    The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed
    to the promises and comments made by a number of influential world
    leaders. Many people around the wolrd feel insecure and oppose the
    spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept dubious
    policies. The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and
    the have-nots and the rich and poor countries. The people are disgusted with
    increasing corruption. The people of many countries are angry about the
    attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They
    are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion.
    The people of the world have no faith in international organisations, because
    their rights are not advocated by these organisations. Liberalism and Western
    style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity.
    Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the
    sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal
    democratic systems. We increasingly see that people around the world are
    flocking towards a main focal point ?? that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly
    through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will
    conquer their problems. My question for you is: ??Do you not want to
    join them??

    Mr President,
    Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the
    Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.

    Vasalam Ala Man Ataba??al hoda
    Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad
    President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
    hempity Reviewed by hempity on . THE LETTER So what do you guys think? Mr George Bush, President of the United States of America For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena -- which are being constantly debated, specially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might bring about an opportunity to Rating: 5

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    THE LETTER

    Mr President, it is not my intention to distress anyone.
    If prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were
    with us today, how would they have judged such behaviour? Will we be given
    a role to play in the promised world, where justice will become universal and
    Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be present? Will they even accept us?


    LOL....this guy calls for the destruction of a nation and the annihilation of a race and he states that?

    At least his letter dropped the price of oil down a buck!:thumbsup:

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    Poor Mr. Amadhinajad is disturbed, delusional, and dangerous. In my opinion, he's not much less dangerous than similarly deluded right-wing religious fundamentalists in our own country who strike a similar tone in some of their preachings. But he has nuclear ambitions that make him especially sinister. I think this letter was a sort of stalling/bluffing tactic before he has to give in to the U.N. and the nuclear inspectors. I hope and pray that a diplomatic solution works with this guy.
    [SIZE=\"4\"]\"That best portion of a good man\'s life: his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love.\"[/SIZE]
    [align=center]William Wordsworth, English poet (1770 - 1850)[/align]

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    #4
    Senior Member

    THE LETTER

    hi mr bush, i smoke and grow marijuana
    suck my dick.

  6.     
    #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73
    Poor Mr. Amadhinajad is disturbed, delusional, and dangerous. In my opinion, he's not much less dangerous than similarly deluded right-wing religious fundamentalists in our own country who strike a similar tone in some of their preachings. But he has nuclear ambitions that make him especially sinister. I think this letter was a sort of stalling/bluffing tactic before he has to give in to the U.N. and the nuclear inspectors. I hope and pray that a diplomatic solution works with this guy.
    LOL....I surely wouldn't want Pat Robertson in charge of our big button! Good point!!

    Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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    #6
    Senior Member

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    Yikes! Pat Robertson. You picked the nuttiest of them all! Yep, poor Pat needs to be taken to a veterinarian and put to sleep. . . or perhaps just have the vet clip his vocal cords like they sometimes do with dogs who can't be cured of incessant barking. I think there are a lot of reasonable, intelligent people in this country who would welcome permanent silence from that guy.

    You have a good one, too, PsychoBud! I like the way you think.
    [SIZE=\"4\"]\"That best portion of a good man\'s life: his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love.\"[/SIZE]
    [align=center]William Wordsworth, English poet (1770 - 1850)[/align]

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    #7
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    I actually agree with him on this point. If this was done instead of waging wars things would be a lot different and people would actually respect us. We would be like canada instead of russia. He sounds almost like Dennis kucinech who wanted a peace department not homeland security. and hemp legalized.



    Mr President,
    How much longer can the world tolerate this situation?
    Where will this trend lead the world to? How long must the people of the
    world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers? How much longer will
    the specter of insecurity ?? raised from the stockpiles of weapons of mass
    destruction ?? hunt the people of the world? How much longer will the blood
    of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the streets, and
    people??s houses destroyed over their heads? Are you pleased with the current
    condition of the world? Do you think present policies can continue? If billions
    of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were
    instead spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of
    health, combating different diseases, education and improvement of mental
    and physical fitness, assistance to the victims of natural disasters, creation of
    employment opportunities and production, development projects and poverty
    alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between disputing states and
    distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would
    the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably
    proud? Would not your administration??s political and economic standing have
    been stronger? And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever
    increasing global hatred of the American governments?
    Bush: \"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.\"

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    #8
    Senior Member

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    I'm definitely with him (and you) on that point, too, Active. If we spent the billions we're spending on that war on humanitarian causes and on self-help and help to other areas of the world that could use our aid, we'd be a lot better off. He's right that continuing the war simply continues to alienate us from the Muslim world, which I think is a dangerous and senseless thing to do.

    What blows me away is to think how much really good health insurance coverage and, for that matter, how much improved education every citizen of the United States could have if we spent the money on those noble goals instead of on attacking a country we had no business attacking in the first place.
    [SIZE=\"4\"]\"That best portion of a good man\'s life: his little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and love.\"[/SIZE]
    [align=center]William Wordsworth, English poet (1770 - 1850)[/align]

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