The rest of the worlds thoughts on bush

[GHoSToKeR]

i dont see how the nazi party has anything to do with this debate...

[Imotep]

Amen toker,
You can learn more from those that dont agree with you than those who do.
Its always interesting to me how blinded we do get by hate.
Me as much as anyone.
See how the other half live before you reckon youve got an opinion.

[Libertarian Toker]

Just here for BS nazi fun attacking anything that does not agree with nazi bs attitudes.

Ed

What facts do you want? I think your a little to quick with your auto reply button. You might want to back off it just a little until you know how to use it better. The way your using it now is making you seem rather silly to me.

Toker

[Button Basher]

"That's a good counter question. The problem is that it doesn't answer the original question, and makes it look as if your trying to hide from the original question."

I thought it was obvious. I'm posting about the Us because the original question was what are the rest of the worlds thoughts on Bush. Surely you havn't forgotten?

"I see! And you think that the way the US government is run is the way most Americans want it to be run?"

That's impossible for me to tell so the decent thing to do would be to simply not pass judgment on the topic. Oh wait, that's exactly what you did about Britain, despite, like most Americans, clearly knowing nothing about us, look ----> "England is kind of our Lap dog. Here boy, sit, roll over boy. Now be a good boy, and do as the Bushy says.". No your wrong, and i'm telling you for a fact. Most people would prefer the term 'ally' at the very least!

If I was you, I would be more worried about this then I was about the US. You seem to be letting them fuck you, and all you can do is bitch about US. I would think that you would be more interested in fixing your problems, and that one seems to be a big one, then in seeing how insulting you can be to US. I suppose some peoples prioritys differ quite a bit. If you can't control your own government, what the hell are you doing trying to tell US about ours for?

Because that was the original question you fucking dunce. I'll admit, I, like many people, have a few problems with the US government but in the long run, it really doesn't bother me. Like you rightly suggest, why should I be concerned about anyone elses government but my own? Well i'm telling you now i'm not. One can't help but be irritated by things that arn't their concern and the US government does irritate me, solely for the fact it's so full of shit but believe it or not I don't look around for some Americans to preach it to (I see your more the type for that, jumping into this thread and contradicting everyone because you've convinced yourself we're all wrong). In this case, I was asked, so I replied, but i'll sleap soundly tonight knowing that you and your problems are a million miles away. Believe that if you will!

"Oh yeah, we had to twist his arm real hard. ROTFLMAO!"

As if that has anything to do with the point I made.

Blind patriotism comes in a lot of forms. Your excusing Tony is blind patriotism. More then mine is, that's for sure. I don't make excuses for bushy, as I don't think there is any that could excuse his abuses. Am I patriotic? Yes, I am, but not in the negitive way you try to portray it as.

My apologies for jumping to conclusions!
I'm NOT a patriot by the way. I hate the UK with a passion. The stereotype might be that we're a peaceful, polite country that enjoys their tea but on the inside, we're just the fucking scrap yard of the world. Not that that's any of your concern so don't feel you need to comment on that.

"love it when people think that their view of the world is so much grander then others based on where they come from. It shows a real maturity and open mindedness to assume they somehow see more of the world then others do. Way to build yourself up there man. I guess since your so worldly I will just have to take your word as gosple truth from now on."

No you won't. I'm not a worldly person and never even suggested I was. I'm giving my feedback for the sake of the original topic (it's near the top of the screen if you've forgotten again) and to explain my attitude for you. I have my own view of the world with basis but I don't see it as grand. How can it be grand, look at what I just said about my own country !


"I come across as an ass, but if you want to have a decent abuse free conversation, I can do that also. I prefer to talk with people that dissagree with me. You can learn from that. You can't learn from people that just agree with you."

Well i'm not sure if you can have an, as you say, abuse free conversation. You were so quick to bad mouth everyone that had something negative to say about America (including myself) that it seems the theory that not all arguments have to be abusive hadn't passed you by. Notice my first post on this thread, then the one directly after it. I logged on and told myself i'd express my opinions (once again, for the sake of the topic) with as little a negative attitude as possible. Did you consider that before you bounded on with all the 'oh yeah? well moan, moan, grumble, how would you know, moan, complain'. I didn't insult America and I still havn't. A negative response isn't necessarily an insult, and you can't take every negative response AS an insult. Otherwise, you get this; an abusive slagging match that's barely an argument.

If your truly willing to have an abuse free discussion on this subject, then it's as easy as doing it. If you took my first post the wrong way then i'm telling you now that I had only the best intentions, if however, it's simply a case of you not being able to accept my opinion that why insult it? It's not going to change!

Peace.

[Sedater18]

you tell him button

[Libertarian Toker]

"I thought it was obvious. I'm posting about the Us because the original question was what are the rest of the worlds thoughts on Bush. Surely you havn't forgotten?"

No, I haven't forgotten. It would seem you, and most of the other bash the us crowd, have forgotten what the original question was though. It was indeed about bushy, not the US and who hated the US is. Nor was it a question on if the people of the US deserve to die. Since the original qestion was ignored, and the bashing started to be pointed at the people rather then Bushy before my first reply, I would have to say that staying on topic was already a thing of the past.

"That's impossible for me to tell so the decent thing to do would be to simply not pass judgment on the topic. Oh wait, that's exactly what you did about Britain, despite, like most Americans, clearly knowing nothing about us,"

Don't be to sure of yourself there man, you don't know me. You are our lap dog! First you were the master, now you are the servent. I'm sorry if that upsets you, and you would rather phrase it differently, but it is clear that you are a lap dog to the US to me.

"No your wrong, and i'm telling you for a fact. Most people would prefer the term 'ally' at the very least!"

Most people might, but I see you as more of the lap dog you are.

"(I see your more the type for that, jumping into this thread and contradicting everyone because you've convinced yourself we're all wrong)."

Maybe I am that type. I do see you continuing the arguement though, so your not exactly innocent yourself are you? Contradiction? Oh no, not that! That would mean someone is dissagreeing with your view. Nooooooooooooooo, that can't be, and must be stopped at once. BTW, when someone claims a lot of Americians deserve to die, they are wrong. Did you single them out to point out how wrong they were? No, you did not. That says to me that your a biased prick doing the exact thing your bitching at me for doing. I guess that would make you a hypocrite also.

"In this case, I was asked, so I replied, but i'll sleap soundly tonight knowing that you and your problems are a million miles away. Believe that if you will!"

What? Do you like live in space or something? A million miles? Do you allways exagerate like that? You know people that tend to exagerate like you do are not usualy the best sources of info.

"As if that has anything to do with the point I made."

It's called sarcasim. I guess it's a little over your head.

"I'm NOT a patriot by the way."

The way you defend your government sure does make you look like your patriotic. So when did it become a bad thing to be patriotic anyway?

"The stereotype might be that we're a peaceful, polite country that enjoys their tea but on the inside, we're just the fucking scrap yard of the world. Not that that's any of your concern so don't feel you need to comment on that."

I feel the need comment anyway. Actualy, most every person I have met from the UK has been kind of rude and confontational. If we are going to go by the ones I have met, then that means your country is not so peacefull after all. And don't even get me started on the violence of your sports.

"I'm not a worldly person and never even suggested I was."

"but the worlds a lot bigger then your country."

I see that as meaning I only see my country, and you see the world.

"I'm giving my feedback for the sake of the original topic (it's near the top of the screen if you've forgotten again) and to explain my attitude for you."

Did you say anything at all about bushy in your last post. or the post before it? Maybe it's you that has forgotten what the topic of the thread was.

"Well i'm not sure if you can have an, as you say, abuse free conversation."

Sure I can. I prefer not to though. What are you basing your judgement on? One thread? A few posts? You, as you apologized for earier, have a problem with thinking you know me.

"You were so quick to bad mouth everyone that had something negative to say about America (including myself) that it seems the theory that not all arguments have to be abusive hadn't passed you by."

Yes, I see that I was just as quick to bad mouth as the rest of the people on this thread were. Nope, it did not pass me by that this was a thread designed to create conflict. It didn't pass me by that others are just as, or more, abbusive then I am, yet you only condem me for it. Of course you feel a need to reply when you have been bad mouthed, right? I suppose you have that right. Guess what? So do I.

"A negative response isn't necessarily an insult"

And yet you are up in arms over my negitivity. What a hypocrite you turned out to be.

"I logged on and told myself i'd express my opinions (once again, for the sake of the topic) with as little a negative attitude as possible."

" you fucking dunce"

You failed yourself. Not the strongest of wills are ya?

"Did you consider that before you bounded on with all the 'oh yeah? well moan, moan, grumble, how would you know, moan, complain'."

No. I was fishing for an arguement, and you guys supplied it.

"I didn't insult America and I still havn't."

Others did. But your right, you did not and that is why I offered to be civle to you. As you turned down my offer, I can only assume you prefer an an abusive slagging match that's barely an argument.

"If you took my first post the wrong way then i'm telling you now that I had only the best intentions, if however, it's simply a case of you not being able to accept my opinion that why insult it? It's not going to change!"

A closed mind will not change. I feel sorry that your unwilling to change. It's a shame some people think they cannot be wrong. Change is not always a bad thing. If your opinion is set in stone, your mind is sealed shut. In my opinion a closed mind is a bad thing to have.

"A negative response isn't necessarily an insult, and you can't take every negative response AS an insult."

I think you may need to follow your own advise a little closer.

Toker

[Imotep]

do you guys really smoke pot?
i cant read that much let alone write it stoned.
good read while my interest lasts.
yous are all very entertaining and have wonderful opinions.

[Button Basher]

Look Lib, I could argue with you all day but the fact is, I really AM out for a decent discussion. The internet might be full of pricks that like to talk big while they're safe behind they're computer screen and I know me saying stuff like 'you fucking dunce' doesn't exactly make me look like a samaritan but i'm only getting the impression that your one of those pricks. I'm not trying to prove anything to you or change your attitude or slag you down 'cause I like to do that to people, i'm just merely speaking my mind and explaining it. Your right, you have a right to be angry at people who come on these boards and say bullshit like 'Americans deserve to die' etc, my main query is I didn't actually do that so I dunno why you've started on me above most others on this thread. Others on this board have convinced me your a decent guy but what am I supposed to think when i'm explaining myself for the sake of the argument and all you can do is go 'no, no, no, wrong, wrong, wrong'.
I don't hate America (I already said that). I havn't insulted America or Americans. My original post was about Bush and I added, just for the record, that America isn't a popular country in the UK. You can't seriously say that surprised you to the extent that you had to take it as abuse and return like a tennis player? America ISN'T a popular country over here. The UK might not be a popular country over there (just a lost cause by the sound of it) but I can get over it, even if you can't.
I've done my best not to be insulting and i've expressed pretty much all my opinions on the subject (aswell as the extra ones brought up by you and others), I might have slipped up a bit while posting with a few irritation induced insults but I think you know how hard it is to keep a pleasant smile when someone throws your opinions back in your face like they don't count, simply because (and my apologies if this isn't the case), they don't agree with them.
You can highlight all the points I made in this post and have a witty, abusive contradiction to say about each one if you want, in which case I won't reply 'cause i'm only here to express and share thoughts on Bush, which I have, not argue like a little bitch about things that don't even concern me. Or you can accept the fact i'm not out to destroy you and just leave it. I accept your views that you make as an American to defend your pride, whether I agree with them or not isn't really a factor in the discussion. We're of two completely different cultures, obviously we won't like eachothers views. I'm just trying for a balanced argument and it looks like it was pretty much over long ago.
You can say you've won with a smug face if you like, but I was never competing.

Peace.

[Libertarian Toker]

Look Lib, Peace.

There is a reason that I replied to you. You seem to have quite a bit more intel then the others posting in this thread. I don't like playing chess with people that are too easy to beat. It's no fun for me if I win every game, so I look for the people that I think can beat me, or at least make me think about my reply. I don't do it for the reasons you might think. I do it to learn. I have learned a lot, and made some good friends doing what I do. I enjoy it, I learn from it, and it hurts no one. Most people tend to judge a book by it's cover. Don't make the mistake of doing that with me. I'm an asshole, that's for sure. Would you have bothered to talk as much with me if I wasn't an asshole and I agreed with you?

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

do you guys really smoke pot?
i cant read that much let alone write it stoned.
good read while my interest lasts.
yous are all very entertaining and have wonderful opinions.

I toke a lot. I never write straight. I did just quit smoking cigs though. I have now stopped smoking cigs for 17 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, 41 seconds. That translates into 707 cigarettes NOT smoked, for a savings of $114.88! I have increased my life expectancy by 2 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes, 22 seconds.

Toker