Quote Originally Posted by Polymirize
Either something has always been

OR

absolute spontanity is possible, something can arise from nothing, and our entire conception of causality goes out the window.

I actually lean more towards the 2nd answer...
ok where is your proof that something can come from absolute nothing ( being in a world where everything is something) ?Show me where something came from nothing (void) emptyness?:smokin: what do you mean? i don;t get your defence....:smokin: