I have a theory

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

how about i share a little philosophy again :P


reality is simply one demensional. it contains itself within itself, etc.

simply put, infinity.

the mind is what makes exististance, if there is a thought, it exists, if there is no thought, everything surrounding the lack of thoughts, does not exist.

(look at that, divison! existance and non existance!)

what does exist will evolve mentally, changing it's thought chemistry, so to speak. what thoughts create a single human thought, or emotion?

what are the thoughts that are associated with the effects of the electricity that sustains your ability to think through your body's brain?


while we're on the issue, let's jsut point out that thoughts exist without the brain, a brain is merely a transformer of thought from the mind to the body. in other words, the thoughts that controll the body are different before they reach the brain, which then transforms the thoughts into chemicals and electrical currents, which then continue the process of making the brain think it is thinking!


continuing on, what are the thoughts that create a single thought that we may think, for example, rock.

there are more thoughts than images of pebbles and stones, more thoughts into each letter associated to the WORD that we think, using thoughts.

we think the word out, sound it in our heads, that's at least 4 letters, and how many thoughts are associated with each different effect of each letter? the combining of their properties and the thinking out how it is pronounced all contribute to thousands of thoughts.

this brings in thought association.

since we're taught to speak, our thought association jumbles what we think when we are thinking.

before words, we probably immagined a flavor, or something obscure when we wanted milk.

after a while that it would likely have evolved to the image of a bottle or breast, as well as the flavor. but when we are taught to speak, our thoughts change drastically, everything has a name now. and names require more thought process as comapired to that of images, sounds, flavors, and emotions. perhaps instinct is the proper word for this, im not sure, but there is an impulsiveness that is obscured under language and 'other' thoughts.

[mrdevious]

while we're on the issue, let's jsut point out that thoughts exist without the brain, a brain is merely a transformer of thought from the mind to the body. in other words, the thoughts that controll the body are different before they reach the brain, which then transforms the thoughts into chemicals and electrical currents, which then continue the process of making the brain think it is thinking!

Just wondering SSW, this sounds like you're a proponent of cartesian dualism. Would I be correct?

[Polymirize]

how passe... Doesn't he realise that everythings changed since Kant?

[Polymirize]

ok where is your proof that something can come from absolute nothing ( being in a world where everything is something) ?Show me where something came from nothing (void) emptyness?:smokin: what do you mean? i don;t get your defence....:smokin:

What do you mean my proof? I don't have any, that's why it's philosophy and not empirical science.
My defense is to say I simply reject your premises as necessary. And perhaps as contingent as well. Give me one good reason why eternalism?

[Krogith]

I have to look out side of our mere lifes of 100 year.... I have come to a conclushion that this is all but a cort case to decide a essential Fact of the universe.... from my stand point or yours we can not and will not KNOW forshure ither side, imo what we are experiencing is all a tiny speck in a much larger sceam of things and our (soul or thought process) will be given a truely fair judgeing ...... All we can do is make a most reasonble solution in our head... If you belive theres no god thats is fine how could you were in a hell hole of shit i do see your side i just have explanition of why certain things are the way they are at this time.....

[Polymirize]

If you belive theres no god thats is fine how could you were in a hell hole of shit i do see your side i just have explanition of why certain things are the way they are at this time.....

I'm not an atheist. I think that whole position is based on a reductionist attitude that is taken when a simple mind attempts to approach the infinite. Its a grasping for a grounding certainty, similar to that found in most religions. Man is, regardless of race or creed, human all too human afterall.

I'll admit from the start that God is beyond my understanding. I can't capture God or the infinite in a sentence, and I have a hard time taking seriously those people who think they can. I don't know, maybe they've actually got it, but then my god is a more powerful god, I just can't tell you how.

So let's just put God aside... Something from nothing? Is that more outrageous than one eternal thing existing without beginning or end? How do you make the choice between two equally illogical things? A metaphysical distinction that will never be demonstrated one way or the other?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Just wondering SSW, this sounds like you're a proponent of cartesian dualism. Would I be correct?

i wouldnt know lol i dont recognize the word "cartesian". it's not in my mental encyclopedia. hehe



why do you ask?

[sm0k1t]

Have you done salvia? I unno I got the same way after I did it, real philiosophical n' shit. Ive caught myself wondering the same thing. Heres one for you, what was there before the there was everything, nothing, right? But how can everything come from nothing. Or what if there was no nothing before everyting but then how can everything last forever and be forever. What started it, did something started, what made it?

I could go on for hours on this thought.

nope never done salvia but I just read about it and seems like a cool experience...I'd like to try it so can anyone tell me where there is good salvia and also tell me how you liked it please.

as for the question of existance well...I dont know if it poped up from nothing or if its infinity cause like Polymirize said both is illogical and beyond our understanding...but what I do know is that we discover things and we try to learn and understand the ever changing world that we live in. Through evolution we upgrade to survive our existing environment so I thought that maybe if we keep upgrading our minds we'll be closer to a logical answer but then again maybe the mind aint the tool to know this? or maybe it is but it needs help of some sort that we dont understand yet...just imagine what we think we understand and compare it to what we do not understand that maybe we do but just dont know it yet. Many possibilities, many reasons, purpose or none at all!!! I'll continu this later....
peace :rasta:

[mrdevious]

i wouldnt know lol i dont recognize the word "cartesian". it's not in my mental encyclopedia. hehe



why do you ask?

Descartes was a 17th century British philosopher who had the same theory you were talking about, known as "cartesian dualism". Kant apparently debunked the theory which is accepted by most philosophers today, though it's not necessarily false since as quantum physics has recently shown (and as the Buddha earlier proposed), matter, energy, and supposedly "non-existence" in the fabric of universal space-time are not actually separate types of existence, but different manifestations of the same fabric of universal reality. All matter is energy, all energy is actually force fields, those force fields are merely space-time fluctuations in a consistent state, space-time itself is manifestation of the laws of the fabric of reality. Hence, and why I stated earlier, it's not a simple case of "something" coming out of "nothing", because the two aren't separate entities. This also explains what gravity is and why it acts the way it does.
Now I did read Stephen Hawking's explanation of how the first space-time fluctuation occured to create "existence", but it was many years ago and I can't really remember now. All I remember is something to do with subatomic matter and anti-matter particles appearing for about 1/1,000 of a second then disappearing from canceling each other out, and how this process could be interrupted to allow the first matter particle to remain in existence.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

it's all thought. lol nonexistance is a single mind and our e3xistance is an illusion cast from thereof, which, in fact, has also cast the illusion upon itself that it is seperate entities in a vast infinity.


or should i just say ourselves lol rather than to satasfy the illusion.



oh, also, tell me about this kant.