I hate em like everyone else and those bastards can get immune to chemicals if you keep using the same one. When i had a horrible infestation i used everyones methods, all kinds of soap, pyrytheum, bombs and miteicides. Nothing freaking worked. If your infestation is super bad you might have gone through the sae thing. The only thing that worked for me was getting rid of any excess plant matter. Even if the leaf is not dead but you see hundreds of specs rittled with mites then get rid of the leaf. No point in keeping food for the mites. I had to strip my girls alot cuz it was so infested. Then i searched and searched and picked me up a bottle of almighty "floramite" and knocked all of those bitches out. Now I do a weakly preventitive insect soap and once a month use the floramite for another preventive treatment. Floramite is $300.00 a qt. but you need only a 1/2 tsp. per gallon of water. Then after all your buddies see how effective this stuff is, you can sell it to them. hehe. You have to remember to do a soap or other miteicide with different chemicals in between your monthly "floramite" treatment so the mites can never get immuned to it. Hope this helps