noone seems to care, but then again I guess I wasn't really asking anything, ..it turns out the grow medium was MG...bummer, I've since transplanted to promix, with minor nute burn but they'll be aight. The tree in the coors cans were by far the most root bound?! Due to the changing conditions earlier in their lives, they all have the same deformation on the same parts of their first true leaves. some where in there they were under a mercury for like 2 days, till i became privy to mercury's uselessness. Speaking of which, I feel like this threads fairly useless. See ya later rev