national illegal immigrant day!!

[Gumby]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??

[Bong30]

I don't care... We know you dont care about america
you're gonna find something else to bitch about next week... NO wrong again, ill still be bitching about illegals, radical islam and you.

:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??

great point!

so the US can kill 100,000 civilians in Iraq to get them the rights which we cherish,
but those in our country which arent citizens want it
and Americans look down upon them to the lowest level
= sickening

[Gumby]

20 million... 20 million... that 20,000,000

2 million have been arrested in the us...

some 450,000 for drugs.... 20,000,000 isn't cause of some small glitch in the system, it's a flawed system and flawed border... we share it by the way with mexico, it's not just theirs...

ok, why not instead of pay 10 - 25 BILLION to get them all out, we give Mexico 20 Billion to keep them their... why not instead of trying to kick them out we help mexico build a stronger country and help create jobs there so they don't come here... if we are the GLOBAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! why not help the country right next to us instead of the one in the middle of no where with the oil...

[Psycho4Bud]

"the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This holds true for U.S. citizens!

EXACTLY....for U.S. citizens.


then why are we in Iraq? if our beliefs are meant only for americans why are we trying to spread it around the world?? HYPOCRACY....

U.N. sanctions broken
Paying martyrs for jihad
WMD's hidden in Syria now

You will also notice the Iraqi's exercising their right to protest.....you don't see Al-Quada doing it in Iraq though.

that's what's wrong is you are seeing them as non americans and therefor they shouldn't be allowed our rights?? that's crap, they are still allowed human rights.... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. â?? That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, â?? That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That's why I offered the Greyhound idea. If we did't allow them human rights they would be packed in the back of semi's like sardines....kind of like how some of them arrived. I don't notice any of these people crying for political amnesty because of human rights violations in Mexico.

what about that one... not just american right... right this land was founded on... rights we no longer have... rights you all are pissing away for security... what about happiness... what about the right to live a peaceful happy life??

There are alot of areas that all of the branches have stomped on the basics of our constitution but in general; I'm peaceful and happy......

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

20 million... 20 million... that 20,000,000

2 million have been arrested in the us...

some 450,000 for drugs.... 20,000,000 isn't cause of some small glitch in the system, it's a flawed system and flawed border... we share it by the way with mexico, it's not just theirs...

Exactly....a flawed border! They want to come here to work on a temp basis...give a work green card...they overstay the visit....give em' the boots.

ok, why not instead of pay 10 - 25 BILLION to get them all out, we give Mexico 20 Billion to keep them their... why not instead of trying to kick them out we help mexico build a stronger country and help create jobs there so they don't come here... if we are the GLOBAL FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! why not help the country right next to us instead of the one in the middle of no where with the oil...

Why give them 20 billion. That's half the problem now. Oh U.S., either you give us "x" amount of dollars or this will happen. Why do you think half of our army was trapped up during the Iraq war? Turkey trying to extort money for allowing our forces to march. Because of this the 4th division wasn't able to secure the Syrian border.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

i know you are psycho... i thought you were rational as well... I just don't understand why you think it is ok to fix Iraq and spend $275,000,000,000 and counting ( www.costofwar.com) but not to fix mexico...

20,000,000 people didn't come here cause they thought it would be fun, they came because mexico isn't nice and it's easy to get here... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." that is not only american... its meant for everyone... and we are not helping them in any way by sending them back to a country that doesn't help...

so all I am asking is why not spend money on helping them out rather than spending the same money kicking them out, just so they will come back again...

give a man a fish he'll eat for a day.... teach a man to fish he'll eat for a life time...

I'm not saying let's let them in an call them american... we need sovernty... I'm saying why waste billions on sending them all back when we can spend the same money giving them a better life???

[Psycho4Bud]

give a man a fish he'll eat for a day.... teach a man to fish he'll eat for a life time...

I'm not saying let's let them in an call them american... we need sovernty... I'm saying why waste billions on sending them all back when we can spend the same money giving them a better life???

I agree there has to be more of a solution but I don't have the answers. Big buisiness ships out jobs to these countries (like Heinz) because of the consumer base but then it gives slave labor wages....that's something that needs to be dealt with by the Mexican government for fair labor wages.

Good debate.......enjoyed it!!!

I'm so glad we had this time together,
Just to have a laugh, and sing a song.
Seems we just got started and before we knew it
Came the time we had to say, 'So long.':thumbsup:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Gumby]

ahh... so maybe the answer is to get rid of big business in america... that way we won't need slaves... we won't have 400million dollar oil profiteers... we won't have a global empire... we won't have a dictator... we won't have corruption... we won't have a rich and poor class...

maybe the answer isn't to fix each problem big business causes, maybe it's time to take big business out of government...

FYI.... Kerry is married to a lady with Heinz as a last name wonder why congress allowed it to happen... bring up another top 25 company and i'll find you someone in office...

here's a few- condi rice... chevron 10 years
hillary.... walmart board
DICK - do I have to??? Halliburton for one..
BUSH - doesn't he and his dad own oil... and there are much much more...
keep going??

pick one and look into their history... it's time we stop putting people in office who are there for money... cause that is what causes problems and it's not going to change till we stop the cause, not the problems...

[Gumby]

and incase you wondered... the illegal populatoin shot through the fucking roof when Bush got into office... I WONDER WHY??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...l/nn1page1.stm

SO LIKE I SAID DON'T YELL AT A MEXICAN YELL AT THE PEOPLE IN OFFICE WHO BROUGHT THEM HERE TO MAKE THEM MONEY... THEN LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE YOU GET PISSED AGAIN!!!

sorry had to let that out... time to get high and play in the garden... see you all later... by the way here are the email address to congress...

http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html