quantum mechanics and god

[andyandy]

The observer effect and its significance......

The observer effect is when the act of observing changes that which is being observed.... if you observe a particle you will change its path....and therefore in quantum mechanics, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of superposition...ie. It exists in all possible states at once......

Now this raises the truly mind blowing question - that at the quantum level do all events have to be observed in order to exist? maybe the universe needs to be watched.....but by who?

this is my favorite scientific experiment....and the best truly scientific justification for the existance of god i can think of.....

andyandy Reviewed by andyandy on 04-28-2006. quantum mechanics and god The observer effect and its significance...... The observer effect is when the act of observing changes that which is being observed.... if you observe a particle you will change its path....and therefore in quantum mechanics, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of superposition...ie. It exists in all possible states at once...... Now this raises the truly mind blowing question - that at the quantum level do all events have to be observed in order to Rating: 5

[mrdevious]

Nope. Particles at the quantum level have their paths altered by observation because observation requires a reflection of light particles off the observed particle and into the eye. The light particle which strikes the observed subatomic particle alters it's course by hitting it and coming back to you, thus allowing you to observe it, but does not determine the very notion of it having a course in the first place.

[andyandy]

Particles at the quantum level have their paths altered by observation because observation requires a reflection of light particles off the observed particle and into the eye. The light particle which strikes the observed subatomic particle alters it's course by hitting it and coming back to you, thus allowing you to observe it, but does not determine the very notion of it having a course in the first place.

i've read ur post a few times and my brain hurts
surely light particles would be hitting the particle regardless of whether or not u were looking at it - and if u did look at it then u'd be utilising those same light particles....no?? quantum stuff is really weird.....
my other favorite experiment is the entanglement one where they entangle then seperate particles - but they remain connected so changes to one effect the other.....that's pretty hard to understand too - almost as though they share a "consiousness" - so one is aware of what the other is doing....

stranger than fiction

[mrdevious]

Yep, light particles do hit everything, but subatomic particles exist in extremely high numbers which gather together to create a force field, that field making an atom. The light hits atoms, but not the individual subatomic particles unless they are directly targetted.

On the other hand, I didn't get a wink of sleep last night and I've been extremely foggy headed and grouchy today. Maybe it's best not to listen to me today, I'll probably wake up tomorrow, read this, and say "what the hell was I saying?" lol.

[andyandy]

well that kinda makes sense....

any views on entanglement and "awareness" on a subatomic level? i like how that fits into ideas of reincarnation - when you die all the atoms are "recycled" back into the universe....and will go on to form parts of other life at some point in the future....if atoms carry elements of self-awareness then the whole universe is effectively one giant shared conciousness.....maybe......

the higgs field is another interesting theory for scientists (and theologists).....

you have a postulated field which permeates the whole of space time..... Without the higgs field no particles would have any mass.... and it's this field therefore that makes the universe possible....

something which is omnipresent and without which the universe could not exist.....hmmm sounds familiar

[andyandy]

come on guys - how can quantum mechanics not get your juices flowing? - Look - it's got a 5 star rating and everything

A little more information on quantum entangement - this stuff's gonna change the world

Quantum entanglement at its simplest is taking two particles, combining them (don't ask me how....) and then seperating them.....

now here's the remarkable part - you can move one of these particles to Texas, and the other to New York....as far away as you like.....

and.....if you make the particle in Texas spin clockwise - the one in New York will start to do the same......

wow! you can create a bond between particles.....whatever you want to call it - telepathy, shared conciousness, awareness - that's pretty amazing.

now.....you might be asking, "so what?" - but this ability gives quantum computers massive computing potential - so much so that when one is finally built, it will be able to work certain calculations out billions of times faster than at present....which will revolutionise, well, computing, research, crypotology and AI development amoungst others....
Even more interesting is the potential for quantum teleportation....now this has already been acheived for particles of light using quantum entanglement....its just a case of whether bigger things can also be teleported....its a long way off being able teleport a human (not least because the "original" copy is destroyed along the way and replaced with a clone) but still one day it could be feasible....

quantum entanglement raises so many fundamental questions to existence - such as what does it mean to exist? If an object is simultaneously cloned as the original is destroyed, is it the same as it was before??

Plus of course ideas on shared conciousness on a subatomic level are pretty theologically significant....

[Moose101]

Hmm, what if particles at the quantum level are predicatable? We just gotta figure it out. I'm thinking maybe creating a huge program that would take every aspect into concideration and annalyze the data. Doing thousands of trials and taking all possible velocities and acclerations from 0 to the speed of light.

[Moose101]

And then again, what if there is life in the particles like on earth? And we are just zapping them every time we reflect the light... We'd be mass murderers.

[Moose101]

If we figure this out can we let the cat out of the box? Poor thing must be lonely.

[Sir Les]

The observer effect and its significance......

The observer effect is when the act of observing changes that which is being observed.... if you observe a particle you will change its path....and therefore in quantum mechanics, if the outcome of an event has not been observed, it exists in a state of superposition...ie. It exists in all possible states at once......

Now this raises the truly mind blowing question - that at the quantum level do all events have to be observed in order to exist? maybe the universe needs to be watched.....but by who?

this is my favorite scientific experiment....and the best truly scientific justification for the existance of god i can think of.....

In order for us to observe, we have to take up space, and our gravitaional field effects the reality we are observing!

Also, if these particales are governed by Gravity, what is Gravity?
And how does one observe it, if it is unseen?

I also believe gravity moves faster than light, in order to capture it, and bend it...and consume it!
I believe we can be tricked by light acting in a pattern..just because things seem to follow a set of instructions, doesn't mean they are true!