us v them ....

[andyandy]

Does anyone else notice one thing about Al-Quedas war..... they seem to kill more Muslims than westerners.

i was refering to the US "war on terrorism" which has been responsible for the death of tens of thousands of people.....religious extremists can then use these people's deaths as a recruiting card for their mission - even if the people killed were not martyrs for a specific cause themselves, extremists can exploit the resentment caused by their deaths to create martyrs out of them....

[Bong30]

You see this War On Terror is really called The Long War and will last 100s of yrs thanks to the neo-cons and the PNAC plan.. As a person who dosent believe the government story surrounding the events of 911, I tend to think people who fear the muslims and fear the burkas have fallen right in to the neo-cons trap, dont get me wrong here i do believe radical muslims out there have thought that, but i dont perceived them as my enemy, my government is my enemy. The Neo-Cons are my enemy, The demopublicans are my enemy, the IRS is my enemy, FBI is my enemy, and on and on and on.....:thumbsup:

This is what we should be worried about..... we can vote the rest out in 08

European Report
Thousands Protest Brussels MP3 Murder. BBC Omits Facts
by Paul Belien, The Brussels Journal
Monday, April 24, 2006

Today, some 80,000 people participated in a silent march in Brussels to commemorate 17 year old Joe Van Holsbeeck, who was knifed on 12 April because he refused to hand over his MP3 player to two North African youths. The murder happened during the evening rush hour in a crowded Brussels central station. The murderers were filmed by security cameras, but it took a full week before the authorities released the footage. The assassins are still at large.

This BBC report about the march, which was the largest protest in the country since 1996 when 300,000 marched through Brussels in anger over the murdering of children, does not mention the ethnicity of the assassins, though many Belgians are worried about the extremely violent mentality of North African youth gangs. [update 24 April, 7:30am GMT: the BBC has added a few final paragraphs mentioning "racial tension"] In fact, the initiative for the march came from Fouad Ahidar, a Moroccan-born Flemish member of the Brussels regional parliament, who said last week that many immigrants are equally worried about violent Moroccan youth gangs.

Ahidar, a father of five, already called for a protest march on 15 April, saying that if the victims had been immigrants and not Belgians, "or even if an immigrant just gets a few kicks from police officers, half of Brussels would be on the streets in solidarity with the victim." According to the Moroccan-born MP, anti-Belgian racism is rife among Muslim street gangs. "This murder stinks of racism," he said. "There is a growing group of criminal Moroccan and Turkish youths who go after victims who look like infidels. We have to fight racism in all its varieties, whether by the immigrants or the native community." What Ahidar says is common knowledge but only he may say so. If a native Belgian makes such comments he or she risks being taken to court for racism by the authorities' racism watchdog CEOOR, an instrument used by the government parties to silence political opponents.

In response to Ahidar's appeal many immigrant organisations had called on their members to participate in the protest. Because the BBC report does not mention the ethnicity of the murderers it also has to omit the presence of immigrants in the protest. "There are many Muslims here," imam Nordine Taouil told Flemish radio and television today. He stressed that many imams had called upon the faithful to be present. "We are here to show that we oppose violence."


just the other side...

EG, gumby, shelby, gs, they want you just as dead.....unless you convert that is. The radicals have highjacked the muslim religon just like they highjacked those planes. It needs to be stopped. guys do a google search on the brotherhood and get back to me.

[andyandy]

I just got through mailing a huge check to help support in part people that have live in HUD housing and receive welfare benefits every month because their butt is to lazy to get out and find work..so don't even start trying that little pity party about people don't know poor just because we have opinions and money....and it was trying to mislead with that word exchange about money is at the root that kills...I said money is at the root of all evil...

well....root of all evil, root of all that kills - sorry if i dont see a huge distinction there - killing would appear to be a subset of evil - and so if anything i've watered down your original comment.....

you seem to be kinda ideologically confused - your saying that money is the root of all evil - so that's capitalism yeah? The capitalist system that means we in the west have schooling, healthcare, regular meals, a life expectancy over 70, housing, jobs, disposable income to spend on soft drugs, computers, cars, TVs......
would you be happier with a communist/socialist model? working for the state - well that certainly works on an ideological level.....but then the root of socialism is welfare - ie looking after those unable to look after themselves....all sharing our wealth....and yet you dont seem too keen on a welfare model either.....hmmm
my original quote about "people who say money is the root of all that kills....." was to highlight this contradiction - but i think you've a better job of it than me

[eg420ne]

This is what we should be worried about..... we can vote the rest out in 08

European Report
Thousands Protest Brussels MP3 Murder. BBC Omits Facts
by Paul Belien, The Brussels Journal
Monday, April 24, 2006

Today, some 80,000 people participated in a silent march in Brussels to commemorate 17 year old Joe Van Holsbeeck, who was knifed on 12 April because he refused to hand over his MP3 player to two North African youths. The murder happened during the evening rush hour in a crowded Brussels central station. The murderers were filmed by security cameras, but it took a full week before the authorities released the footage. The assassins are still at large.

This BBC report about the march, which was the largest protest in the country since 1996 when 300,000 marched through Brussels in anger over the murdering of children, does not mention the ethnicity of the assassins, though many Belgians are worried about the extremely violent mentality of North African youth gangs. [update 24 April, 7:30am GMT: the BBC has added a few final paragraphs mentioning "racial tension"] In fact, the initiative for the march came from Fouad Ahidar, a Moroccan-born Flemish member of the Brussels regional parliament, who said last week that many immigrants are equally worried about violent Moroccan youth gangs.

Ahidar, a father of five, already called for a protest march on 15 April, saying that if the victims had been immigrants and not Belgians, "or even if an immigrant just gets a few kicks from police officers, half of Brussels would be on the streets in solidarity with the victim." According to the Moroccan-born MP, anti-Belgian racism is rife among Muslim street gangs. "This murder stinks of racism," he said. "There is a growing group of criminal Moroccan and Turkish youths who go after victims who look like infidels. We have to fight racism in all its varieties, whether by the immigrants or the native community." What Ahidar says is common knowledge but only he may say so. If a native Belgian makes such comments he or she risks being taken to court for racism by the authorities' racism watchdog CEOOR, an instrument used by the government parties to silence political opponents.

In response to Ahidar's appeal many immigrant organisations had called on their members to participate in the protest. Because the BBC report does not mention the ethnicity of the murderers it also has to omit the presence of immigrants in the protest. "There are many Muslims here," imam Nordine Taouil told Flemish radio and television today. He stressed that many imams had called upon the faithful to be present. "We are here to show that we oppose violence."


just the other side...

EG, gumby, shelby, gs, they want you just as dead.....unless you convert that is. The radicals have highjacked the muslim religon just like they highjacked those planes. It needs to be stopped. guys do a google search on the brotherhood and get back to me.

I dont understand--people kill each other everyday whats the point in your post man..Like i said b4 i dont give a flying fuk about the rest of the world, we need to tend to the USA...So people kill people-So What! people been killing each other for over 5000yrs now, hell GOD told the JEWs to kill people(even women & children) so they can take there land, whats the difference..Nothing has changed....And i dont see any muslims forcing me to convert and if any1 tries they better hope there belief system is real:thumbsup:

[Shelbay]

well....root of all evil, root of all that kills - sorry if i dont see a huge distinction there - killing would appear to be a subset of evil - and so if anything i've watered down your original comment.....

you seem to be kinda ideologically confused - your saying that money is the root of all evil - so that's capitalism yeah? The capitalist system that means we in the west have schooling, healthcare, regular meals, a life expectancy over 70, housing, jobs, disposable income to spend on soft drugs, computers, cars, TVs......
would you be happier with a communist/socialist model? working for the state - well that certainly works on an ideological level.....but then the root of socialism is welfare - ie looking after those unable to look after themselves....all sharing our wealth....and yet you dont seem too keen on a welfare model either.....hmmm
my original quote about "people who say money is the root of all that kills....." was to highlight this contradiction - but i think you've a better job of it than me

Your right about the confused part And I still say imo I don't like only part of my post being used to make that distinction. And since you asked...I Would be happier if young people were being taught that being underage,no education,and having unprotected sex is NOT a good thing that results in millions of single mothers and children with no fathers..and I also would be happy living by Individual State laws without paying huge sums of our money to the Federal Government. Theres much that makes me happy and I may seem contradictory and complex..maybe I am..but you need to think about it this way okay..you say people are unable to look after themselves? So true...people are so dependent...I wouldn't want anyone to suffer needlessly but things need to change..imo

[Gumby]

we will win the war on terror...we have to.


i dont want my kids to be muslim, and my daughter to wear a berka....hell no

Gumby if you liked america as much as you liked Al quida.... you might see my point of view a little more often.

if you loved america in the least you would understand what you just said is a bunch of shit...

We have a freedom of religion in this country... what don't you get about that?? This isn't God's country... his name isn't in the Consitution for a reason.. there is nothing wrong with muslim or berka's for that matter... it's the freedom to chose what you want to believe and how you want to live that america was founded on... not some highest chrsitian prick telling us what we can and cannot do and who and who not are enemies are... I have never been threated by a Muslim person... the only one's I've met have been loving and caring... it's the Christian that you support that are stealing our country, not the Muslim terrorist...

If you're so worried abuot your religion maybe you should believe in something that holds up to truth rather than having to force what you believe on others... That's why I love america and what it was founded for... because I believe that as long as I harm no one I should be FREE to live life as I wish... That's what america is... not some place where Muslims aren't allowed... you leave if you don't like it cause you're the terrorist not the Muslim...

[Psycho4Bud]

i was refering to the US "war on terrorism" which has been responsible for the death of tens of thousands of people.....religious extremists can then use these people's deaths as a recruiting card for their mission - even if the people killed were not martyrs for a specific cause themselves, extremists can exploit the resentment caused by their deaths to create martyrs out of them....

Are you speaking of the Taliban in Afghanistan or Zarqawi and friends in Iraq? Like I said before, these pot lickers kill more Muslims than they do westerners. The peoples of Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, etc....are getting sick and tired of these jihadists.
We let these punks kick at our ankles for years but when the big ol' bitch slap came....hell yes! Time to take care of buisiness!!!:thumbsup:

[andyandy]

Your right about the confused part And I still say imo I don't like only part of my post being used to make that distinction. And since you asked...I Would be happier if young people were being taught that being underage,no education,and having unprotected sex is NOT a good thing that results in millions of single mothers and children with no fathers..and I also would be happy living by Individual State laws without paying huge sums of our money to the Federal Government. Theres much that makes me happy and I may seem contradictory and complex..maybe I am..but you need to think about it this way okay..you say people are unable to look after themselves? So true...people are so dependent...I wouldn't want anyone to suffer needlessly but things need to change..imo

fair enough :thumbsup:

[andyandy]

[QUOTE=Psycho4Bud]Like I said before, these pot lickers kill more Muslims than they do westerners. The peoples of Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, etc....are getting sick and tired of these jihadists. [QUOTE]

yeah i agree most people in afghanistan, jordan, egypt etc. dont identify with the al qaeda jihad - and when that jihad mission directly and adversely effects their own country and their own lives then yeah it will alienate yet more people. However my point was that the US is not doing itself any favours through its own policies - because these too are alienating people......