us v them ....

[Gumby]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4943842.stm


Al-Qaeda jihad vs US 'long war'
Analysis
By Paul Reynolds
World Affairs Correspondent, BBC News website

Osama Bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden. The tactics of jihad...

Monday's bombings in Egypt fit in with the philosophy of war laid out in a 7,000 word document by Osama Bin Laden which appeared recently in the form of an audio tape.

And in turn, the tape came within weeks of the publication in February of the Pentagon's "Quadrennial Defence Review" which stated: "The United States is a nation engaged in what will be a long war."

We therefore now have two almost simultaneous documents from the leading forces in the war and they are worth comparing.

There will be those who say that any comparison is odious but no professional intelligence officer I know would allow emotion to obscure analysis and it is on that basis that I proceed.

The most striking thing about the Bin Laden statement is its wide ranging nature. One counterterrorism commentator, Walid Phares, of the Florida Atlantic University called it a "state of the jihad address".

The struggles

The al-Qaeda leader lists about 20 struggles worldwide. It is important to know what they are. Among his declarations:

* There can be no apology for the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, which he dwells on at length. Instead he says those "responsible" must be punished and he leaves no doubt as to what that should be

* The West is at war with "our nation", defined as Islam as a whole, which amounts to a "crusade"

* The West's hostility towards Hamas is evidence of this crusade
* The UN Security Council is a "crusader movement along with pagan Buddhism". The Buddhists are represented by China in his view

* Islamic fighters should resist any attempt by the West to cut Darfur off from the rest of Sudan. He rejects the settlement with the South

* Iraq is the central struggle. "The epicentre of these wars and attacks is Baghdad"

* The fight in Iraq is a "crusader-Zionist war against Muslims". So, too, are or were the conflicts in Bosnia, Chechnya, East Timor, Somalia and Kashmir

* He attacks France for banning the headscarf in school and the writer Salman Rushdie is still "the infidel"

* He calls for the death of "Bush's lackey in Pakistan", meaning President Pervez Musharraf

* King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is responsible for "submissiveness and humiliation"

* The global war is not a clash of civilisations but an attack "by their civilisation against our civilisation"

* He condemns the use of Nato troops in Afghanistan

* The people in the West are as guilty as their leaders. "War is a common responsibility among people and government"

* No dialogue is now possible with the West as it rejected his own offer of a truce "after the withdrawal of their armies"

Thus, Osama Bin Laden's manifesto.

He does not incidentally mention Egypt but has no real need to since Egypt has always been a battlefield for al-Qaeda.

It is evident that Bin Laden has lost none of his determination in the years since 11 September 2001 ("the Manhattan conquest").

His manifesto is characterised by absolutism. Even the fight in Iraq is pitched in terms of protecting "monotheism", which is an implied rejection of the Iraqi majority, the Shias, according to Islamic scholars.

Whether his gathering in of just about every known conflict involving Muslims is a sign of his strength or a sign that he is trying to raise morale in sometimes weakened forces remains to be seen.

But his ambition remains undiminished.

The Pentagon approach

Against this, the Pentagon is preparing its own plans.

These were partly revealed in the four-yearly document it is required to produce looking ahead towards the next 20 years.

The new document gives it own definition of the struggle and it is also couched in global terms.

Donald Rumsfeld
...against the long war of Donald Rumsfeld

"Since the attacks of September 11, 2001, our nation has fought a global war against violent extremists who use terrorism as their weapon of choice and who seek to destroy our free way of life.

"Our enemies seek weapons of mass destruction and, if they are successful, will likely attempt to use them in their conflict with free people everywhere. Currently, the struggle is centred in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we will need to be prepared and arranged to successfully defend our nation and its interests around the globe for years to come."

In his usual blunt style, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says in an introduction: "Now in the fifth year of this global war, the ideas and proposals in this document are provided as a road map for change, leading to victory."

The main points

The ideas and proposals are then listed in general terms. The principle is to make the US armed forces more flexible and to shift the emphasis:

* From a peacetime tempo - to a wartime sense of urgency

* From a time of reasonable predictability - to an era of surprise and uncertainty

* From single-focused threats - to complex challenges

* From nation-state threats - to decentralised network threats

* From conducting war against nations - to conducting war in countries we are not at war with (safe havens)

* From large institutional forces (tail) - to more powerful operational capabilities (teeth).

There is a lot more like this in the 92 page document.

The practical effects are going to be an increase in Special Forces and more US forces stationed in perhaps smaller groups around the world, sometimes clandestinely and even without the knowledge of local US diplomats.

There will be more unmanned drones.

There will even be special teams trained to disarm nuclear weapons. The threat of terrorists using weapons of mass destruction is partly what lies behind the overall commitment.

Critics are already saying that the Pentagon will no doubt also demand the big ticket items like new jet fighters and heavy equipment for the army.

But the thinking behind the review is to configure forces to better prevent or counter the kind of surprise attacks launched by al-Qaeda and its network of networks.

What the review does not get into, because it is not meant to, is the place that military tactics occupy in the wider strategy in such a long war.

The document does allude to this at the end by stating: "The United States will not win the war on terrorism... by military means... simultaneous, effective interaction with civilian populations will be essential to achieve success."

And of course the lesson from the Cold War is that it was not won by military means, though military strength certainly played a key role. It was won by one system collapsing.

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[Shelbay]

That was a good read Gumby....especially about the cold war.

[Ripper]

The document does allude to this at the end by stating: "The United States will not win the war on terrorism... by military means... simultaneous, effective interaction with civilian populations will be essential to achieve success."

Does tht not realy just mean spying...on there own people and others. I bet spying is on there list of dirty words not to use in releases

Rips

[Bong30]

we will win the war on terror...we have to.


i dont want my kids to be muslim, and my daughter to wear a berka....hell no

Gumby if you liked america as much as you liked Al quida.... you might see my point of view a little more often.

[eg420ne]

You see this War On Terror is really called The Long War and will last 100s of yrs thanks to the neo-cons and the PNAC plan.. As a person who dosent believe the government story surrounding the events of 911, I tend to think people who fear the muslims and fear the burkas have fallen right in to the neo-cons trap, dont get me wrong here i do believe radical muslims out there have thought that, but i dont perceived them as my enemy, my government is my enemy. The Neo-Cons are my enemy, The demopublicans are my enemy, the IRS is my enemy, FBI is my enemy, and on and on and on.....:thumbsup:

[Shelbay]

eg420...After paying the IRS again this year...I agree about those nasty 3 letter agencies....seems like all the bloodsuckers have 3 initials. All we do Is pay taxes,taxes,taxes!!!! Hello Feds...Since we pay sooo much to live here in the Country we love the Good Old U.S.A...how about we legalize MJ and I would happily pay THOSE taxes...as it is now I just resent you more each year...every time I sign that darn check! Where the heck do ALL of these taxes go?? I know,I know...I have been told where they are SUPPOSED to be channeled but I don't see it. Money is at the root of all evil.

[andyandy]

of course the "war on terror" can't be won......it's such a loose term - a convienient, easy to swallow slogan to sell to people who'd rather not think for themselves. Its no more valid as a concept than the "war on drugs" which in one broad re-branded stroke bundled cannabis into the same category as crack or heroin.

for the US administration, Al quedia are terrorists and Sunni insurgents are terrorists, lone nuts (like the Oklahoma bomber) are terrorists,
the Israelis see the PLA as terrorists
In Britain the IRA are terrorists
The Palestinian see the Israelis as guilty of state sponsored terrorism
The Russians label Cheychen rebels as terrorists
The Spanish label the Basque seperatist groups like ETA terrorists

each definition of terrorism varies - whether it represents a group fighting for nationalistic reasons specific to their own geographical circumstance, for ideological reasons which extend national borders, or for no discernable reason at all other than a grudge against society in general.

with regard to the US and al qaeda (which seemed to be the main thrust of the war on terror until bush got sidetracked....) the US is "at war" with an ideology....but you can't beat an ideology with bombs - for every person you kill, you create a martyr to the cause, a greater sense of injustice and a hardened will for revenge.

the "war" with al qaeda will be won in decades not years - and only through undercutting the appeal of such a radical anti-western creed to young adherents....The first step would be to sort out the isreali-palestinian issue.......don't hold your breath folks....so far all the "war on terror" has only acheived a greater radicalisation of an already troubled middle east, hardened anti-American and anti-western sentiment and created a new front on which terrorist groups like al queda can fight. Well done George - $400 billion well spent....

Money is at the root of all evil.

those who say the money is root of all that kills have never been poor,
they have never known the joys of a welfare christmas.
(prize for anyone who knows who said that....)

[Shelbay]

I have known being poor since you posted PART of my original post...and I know welfare very well...I just got through mailing a huge check to help support in part people that have live in HUD housing and receive welfare benefits every month because their butt is to lazy to get out and find work..so don't even start trying that little pity party about people don't know poor just because we have opinions and money....and it was trying to mislead with that word exchange about money is at the root that kills...I said money is at the root of all evil...tell it like I said it....not just part of it..and money is at the root of all evil imo. Just don't tell me about what I know about life because of my opinion...I don't know you and you don't know me so please don't make presume to include me in your analysis like you did at the end of your post..thanks

[Psycho4Bud]

the "war" with al qaeda will be won in decades not years - and only through undercutting the appeal of such a radical anti-western creed to young adherents....The first step would be to sort out the isreali-palestinian issue.......don't hold your breath folks....so far all the "war on terror" has only acheived a greater radicalisation of an already troubled middle east, hardened anti-American and anti-western sentiment and created a new front on which terrorist groups like al queda can fight. Well done George - $400 billion well spent....

Does anyone else notice one thing about Al-Quedas war.....they seem to kill more Muslims than westerners. It's hard to create martyrs when your killing their families.

[Bong30]

Dickens?