Weird Outlook On Death

[fikusroot]

see, I have a more cynical outlook on people. I believe that people are innately evil, but the face that we all have a soul is what can make us good. If we had no souls, we would have no need to show anyone compassion, even when that compassion could jepordize our own survival. Without souls, we would just be surviving.

[Trichocereus Panza]

If we had no souls, we would have no need to show anyone compassion

Why would having a soul produce the need to show compassion to others anyway? I don't believe in souls, and I don't think the impulse towards compassion has to come from anything external, like some God telling us what to do or what's right. It's just that our happiness is not self-contained, it is more of a communal thing that spreads by way of giving rather than taking. We don't have to see people as being in a state of competition with each other, because a state of collaboration and sharing is more advantageous to everyone, in this life here on earth, regardless of any afterlife you might believe in.

We ARE "just surviving," but it so happens that our survival as individuals is dependent on others, and really everything else in the universe, because we are not separate. Compassion does not have to jeopardize our survival, but rather helps our life to flourish.

It might be easy to think people are innately evil, depending on what your experience in life has been. But once you pay attention to your experience of different types of people, you realize that selfish and "evil" behavior is just a misguided expression of good impulses that have gotten confused. Secretly, everyone just wants what is good, except they may not have realized what is truly good yet. Which is to see how much we're all suffering, and to care for that suffering and admit how we are all the same, which can lead to an open and beneficial situation for everyone.

[fikusroot]

I agree with much of that however what do you think that thing is. that thing that causes us to compromise our own survival for the good of the community. The thing that you describe as "good impulses" that undermines our own survival for the good of mankind is a soul and the reason we have it is because we are all connected as one though the simple fact that we are humans. This is what makes us different from animals.

[Krogith]

This life is a test for godto have the right to Bleep out a (soul,mind, thoughtprocess) Being Satan. I belive after this test or Court case is finished armagedon will come and well have the 1000 years of peace on earth while all the ones who died in the ages will be resurected. During this time will be able to focus on and do things naturaly bringing the whole earth to be a paradice state like we were intended to live in. Satan is there re relised to test the one who didn't go throu Armagedon and all thoses who follow him will be permaniuntly distroyed BECAUSE this shitty test were going throu now would prove Satan can't rule right and yes he was giveing free will and choice to choose a path of GREED and that just causes chaos. .......after that we live forever on earth pardice perma high SIGN ME UP....




Think of this how fair and just would GOD be if just because you were born poor and dad was a ganster and thats the only life you knew, you killed hella people and were GREEDY? No this has to be some test for something GRATER than US and once it's over well all get a perfect chance to get to know god and learn what he REALLY has intended for us. he CREATED the earth for us to live on ,this BULLSHIT we see today is just Satan chanlangeing his Right and so God Said ok you think you can rule better do it and satan GREED has caused this:smokin: Because if he just zaped his ass way back then how many would belive that satan might of had a point? SO THE TEST IS NEEDED:smokin: He made weed for us and if we just consumed 100% pur delta9 it does us no harm sounds like high is part of the plain to:smokin:

[fikusroot]

God was invented by people scared of truth
"If God did not exist, man would be forced to create him."

[Trichocereus Panza]

lol.

But good impulses do not undermine our own survival most of the time. And even when it seems that they do, even if you use the example of sacrificing your life for others, it's really because your life is not in any way shape or form separate from the life of others or the "community" as you put it. So really by "compromising" ourselves we are doing no such thing: we are simply preserving the larger Life that we already were before we were born, and will continue to be after we die. It's not even so much that we are "connected" as that we are already completely the same thing, we just use the word connected because we seem separate for the time being.

Nothing makes us different from animals. They are the same larger community of our fellow beings towards which we direct our compassion, and their life is ours as well. When your life is already the life of the whole universe, you don't need any explanation as to why you would help preserve that larger life, without "compromising" anything at all.

haha, never been in an ongoing debate like this before, it's been a while since I've seen one on here.

[fikusroot]

That would make logical sense, however there is too much evidence out the to support the "divine spark" that I believe is inside all men. You say we are connected simply by the laws of nature, which I do believe however I believe it to be more than that. We are all connceted (and yes, in a large since we are connected) by a need to survive but individually I believe we posess inside of us, something illogical, that cant be described by the laws of nature.

[Krogith]

lol.

But good impulses do not undermine our own survival most of the time. And even when it seems that they do, even if you use the example of sacrificing your life for others, it's really because your life is not in any way shape or form separate from the life of others or the "community" as you put it. So really by "compromising" ourselves we are doing no such thing: we are simply preserving the larger Life that we already were before we were born, and will continue to be after we die. It's not even so much that we are "connected" as that we are already completely the same thing, we just use the word connected because we seem separate for the time being.

Nothing makes us different from animals. They are the same larger community of our fellow beings towards which we direct our compassion, and their life is ours as well. When your life is already the life of the whole universe, you don't need any explanation as to why you would help preserve that larger life, without "compromising" anything at all.

haha, never been in an ongoing debate like this before, it's been a while since I've seen one on here.

In this case we are all but dust and no person life amounted to anything because if they didn't do it someone else would..... I chose to not think all but is for nothing and everyone is but a spec.... I also do not belive we were created to end up a angle why would he make angles and then make the earth for it to produce more angles? we are a new creation from the angles we are to live forever in our own exsistance. I belive this is all but a test for god to Rightfully Undisputed be able to permanutly kill satan. If he did it back when he 1st rebled instead of let him show hes idea that we don't need god to exsist and we should run our self is obiously being Proven Wrong right now once Satan is proven 100% wrong he can than be killed forever and no one would think he might or could of had a point. THIS UNIVERSAL COURT CASE is a better idea to me than our lives all but being the same as a animal and we are here due to some random crazy life that has no meaning what so ever and there nothing controling the huge expance that it's all Random and nothing has pourpos and when we as humans Distroy the EARTH we could possable wipeing out all forms of exsistance in the universe? But no one can Claim To KNOW one side or the Other were all Guessing.....

[Trichocereus Panza]

I am not really sure what the divine spark is, but the illogical aspect of humans you speak of sounds like it is influenced by Kierkegaard. I agree that we are not completely logical animals, it is only the brute processes that occur under the surface that support our illusion of "conscious mind" as something separate from matter. Who authorizes logic anyway? Does it authorize itself? No. You can only use logic to argue a point if everyone agrees that it is valid. If one person does not agree, there is nothing you can say to him. And it seems as though we agree that logic does not lead to truth, but only to itself; it doesn't lead anywhere; it's just playing with words. We play with words because we choose to, like a game. But if you don't play then there's no problem, everything is still the same.

And yet here we are arguing our points as if logic means something. It's nearly impossible to form an argument without implicitly using logic and accepting it as valid (although Krogith comes pretty close with his rambling...)

We forget that we eventually have to dispense with the need for words and just LIVE, and of course when that happens my life is the same as your life despite the way we conceptualize it differently.

[Trichocereus Panza]

no one can Claim To KNOW one side or the Other were all Guessing.....

ah but what we all know is that there IS some truth that none of us know:rasta:

The wisest thing anyone can tell you is just to trust reality to be what it is, without worrying too much about whether you "know" the truth about it.... Actually, all you ever experience is reality, which is yourself: the reality of your own thoughts, sensations, and whatever part of the world you live in, even when it turns out you were "in error" about something that was still just the reality of yourself. We all experience this reality and we all have different words for it but they mean the same thing:rasta: